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Not exactly a good advert for racing, especially when so many trainers say it is a struggle to recruit staff:
I’m afraid that I don’t find this surprising.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysAn 8k fine from the BHA? Might as well be back in the days of Ryan Price, he of lad-punching-fame. In any other modern business, Brisling would never work again. It’s a long time since I felt such anger about the way these kids were psychologically abused.
Joe,
Except that the penalty is not decided by the BHA. They collect the evidence and provide a prosecuting counsel, but the hearing is in front of an independent judical panel. Just like the police and the CPS do the same and don’t decide on guilt or sentence.
I suspect the only way the BHA can influence his future, is when his licence comes up for annual renewal. At which point they could declare him not a fit person to hold a training licence. I’d join you in applauding if that happened, but I doubt if it will.
One would hope that any decent owner would decide to find another trainer asap.
Re the employees who were injured, I have to wonder if they would have a chance of claiming compensation, as it certainly sounds as if they deserve some.
Brisland’s behaviour is inexcusable, no matter what pressure he was under. I hope the people who were treated so poorly have obtained better positions far away from him now.
When I worked on a male dominated racing yard, one particular ex jockey type used to regularly scream abuse at me. I was told “ignore X he’s always been like that”. Only the intervention of the trainer’s wife stopped it.
Apart from that one person, I had lovely experience working on that yard.
When you logon to the main forum, see Archipenko is last poster, and think: “Ooh, this has got to be the latest Vertem development.”
Imagine my disappointment.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Are people seriously advocating that Brysland loses his livelihood for using a bit of colourful language toward employees?
Sounds like we’ve got members of the professionally offended amongst us!
“a bit of colourful language”
I have worked in, or have husband, family or friends who have worked in: large animal vet practice in the Welsh mountains and rural Ireland, farms all over the world, gamekeeping, tree surgery, fishing trawlers, a sawmill, a steel mill, slaughterman in the local abattoir, the army, the PSNI, the old Troubles-era RUC, a prison officer from the same era, a Royal Navy officer whose ship got bombed and sunk by the Argies, and various NHS doctors and nurses in specialities where patients (including children and babies) may have lifechanging injuries or die and all the stress that goes with that. None of them would think that this kind of thing is OK and that workers should just put up with it. They can’t all be snowflakes.
Have you read the RP story in full, TC?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Sounds like we’ve got members of the professionally offended amongst us!”
Please tell me you’re not serious. Have you read the story?
Trainer Robyn Brisland oversaw a toxic culture of foul language, intimidation and belittlement towards junior members of stable staff at his yard which left them crying, afraid and in some cases resulted in serious injury, a disciplinary panel was told on Monday.
Brisland and William Degnan, a senior member of staff at the yard, were fined by the panel when a late plea agreement was struck between all sides. Four days had initially been set aside for the hearing.…
Woods highlighted the case of two female workers who sustained serious injuries while working for Brisland at Danebury Stables near Stockbridge in Hampshire. The first damaged her ankle while riding but “was pressured into continuing to ride” by Brisland and Degnan, with Woods stating the rider continued to “suffer from the effects of that injury today”.
On the second rider, Woods said: “Her jaw was split open to the bone and broken after an incident involving a horse in the yard. After that occurred she was not taken to hospital and an ambulance was not called, she had to make her own way with the assistance of other staff.
“On return to work she said she did not want to ride that particular horse because of fear of further injury. She was pressured to do so by Mr Brisland and was thrown from the horse and reinjured her jaw as a result.”…
Degnan was said by the BHA to have engaged in “a course of conduct over several months” against junior members of staff. Evidence against him included a video recording “which discloses very concerning conduct which includes loud volume, inappropriate phrasing and screaming, in effect, at a staff member”.
Degnan accepted using the phrases “a useless piece of s***”, “c***”, “f****** crap”and “f****** useless” towards junior staff, as well as labelling their riding as “s***”.Also, horses are dangerous enough without somebody shouting, screaming and swearing around them and having their handlers reduced to nervous wrecks as well.
Can you imagine if the cameras visited Closutton or Ballydoyle and Willie was waving those big-gloved hands around screaming obscenities at people or AOB, instead of quietly saying “Alright John, alright Sinead, alright Jim bob, alright Marylou…” as the string passed by, was roaring a foul mouthed critique of their riding skills and parentage after them till he was purple in the face?
Colourful language includes the screened words highlighted in the story!
Damaged her ankle. Sprained then! Hardly life changing is it!
The woman who suffered a serious injury to her jaw. She was assisted to hospital by other staff members. Probably the quickest and best form of action. It’s not a life threatening injury that would require an ambulance is it!
Is nobody going to ride that horse out then? It’s a horse in a racing yard, it needs riding out. Injuries are a well known hazard of the job.
Some of you lot clearly allow yourselves to be taken in by sensationalist media headlines.
The independent review body was presented with all the evidence and (unlike the members of this forum foaming at the mouth) is rationale enough to deem the matter worthy of a fine. Why do some of you lot think it’s sufficiently heinous enough an offence for a man to lose his livelihood? Nowhere does it say he allowed unsafe working practices to foster which may have ultimately contributed to anyone being physically harmed. He used some language towards a couple of individuals that had them mildly upset for a period.
Go and give your heads a wobble! This is exactly the kind of thing the professionally offended get so upset over! Minor trivial issues blown out of all proportion!
One of you said you haven’t been this offended by another persons behaviour and the psychological bullying they suffered. Hilarious!
Short of posting your furious anger on a racing forum, what are you doing about it? Seeing as you feel so strongly about it that you haven’t been this annoyed by such behaviour in a long time? What are you doing about it which might help such a tragic and awful situation?
TC, if you had a daughter aged 18 and she announced she was about to take a job as stable staff at the bloke’s yard would you be a happy bunny about it?
The most surprising aspect of this awful story to me is that Brisland doesn’t seem to have had some big hairy working class Dad of one of these young staff rock up at the yard one morning to give him and his lackey right handers tbh.
They both sound dreadful people.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Absolutely disgusting behaviour that both individuals should be thoroughly ashamed of.
Anyone who tries to defend this needs to have give their head a good wobble.
Before I am accused of being a “snowflake” , I spent almost 40 years in law enforcement , and have seen almost every form of reprehensible behaviour in that time.TC, what am I doing about it? I’m posting on every racing outlet I can and writing to the BHA in the hope of getting these two bastards out of racing forever. That’s the lawful way. If it were possible to get them both in a boxing ring with me, that would be much more enjoyable.
Can we all take it then that had you worked in the yard and witnessed this, you’d have been standing giggling at the ‘snowflake’ reactions of the kids who were being abused?
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