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Agree that Moore made a mistake in looking for the inner on Patkai, but like the Durcan ride today, I don’t think it made a blind bit of difference. Patkai looks lazy, he again too k plenty of stoking along, just like he had at Newbury the time before, and for me there is little doubt that Allied Powers was the clear winner on merit. When you consider how easily that horse had won under very different cnoditions at Ponte, and then see how easily he handles very different conditions just a week later, he’s clearly a horse with a lot of ability.
Wasn’t Moore on the best horse with Dr Freemantle?
How can anyone come on here and slate a jockey for a bad ride if they don’t know the instructions given to the jockey. Armchair jockeys galore at present.
Maybe if people spend more time trying to find the best horse in the race and less time complaining about jockeys they may actually see the big picture.
Tell you what Wallace – you are absolutely spot on. There is very little more boring than a ‘couch’ jockey, who probably doesn’t know one end of a bridle from the other, criticising the professionals. It’s betting shop chit-chat of the lowest denominator.
As Wallace points out the jockeys are frequently riding to orders so while you may feel they’ve ridden an ill-judged race they may simply be riding precisely to instructions and, thus, being the model of professionalism.
There is probably no trickier track to ride than Chester and to see a host of jockeys slated on here for rides on the track probably says a lot more about the knowledge and judgment of those writing the posts than it does about the jockeys in question.
Can I respectfully suggest that the two or three forum members who are persisting in starting and contributing to these ‘didn’t-so-and-so-give-such-and-such-an-awful-ride’ post these threads elsewhere.
MP in particular – we know your position regarding Ted Durcan’s ability. No more turgid threads discussing his every potential tactical faux pas please. Thank you.
I doubt too many of the jockey bashers take into account that a lot of these guys and girls are up at 6am every day, often dont get to bed until midnight and on top of perhaps making split second decisions on 10 rides a day, travel hundreds of miles partially dehydrated on lettuce leaves.
Yep they do mess up sometimes, they wouldnt be human if they didnt, and certainly some are better than others but usually if you look hard enough you’ll find a reason, generally connected to the beast beneath them.
Most of the trainers the higher strike jockeys ride for are in the business of making stallions / broodmares. The jockey is an intrinsic part of that process on the racecourse imo and wouldnt be retained without the requisite level of ability, for purely financial reasons if nothing else.
Some balance to the thread!
It’s interesting to see the effect on riding tactics that the policy of moving out the running rail at Chester has had – jockeys sitting tight in behind the leaders on the home turn, aiming for a clear run as the false rail drops away.
Punters criticise jockeys, just as football fans critcise footballers. It goes with the territory. Doesn’t mean they hate the person involved.
To deny any sports fan their basic right to moan and rant is simply churlish and un-democratic. I could rant for Scotland… and England.
I am sure I have read some threads on here where people have criticised certain jockeys. Indeed, Greville Starkey is still being criticised for the ride he gave Dancing Brave in the 1986 Derby. Poor Greville.
… and as for that Lester Piggott fellow – well, I still cringe at the ride he gave Nijinsky in the 1970 Arc de Triomphe. What was he thinking about?
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Agreed Himself – but what is unacceptable is when the same forum member(s) continually berate the same jockey(s) day after day analysing their every move. I get fed up of it and I’m certain I’m not alone.
What I like about TRF, and what I am sure appeals to others, is that the standard of debate tends to rise above the stuff you might hear in the betting shop or on some other forums.
are you sure cormack? I think you need to take the reactilites off. without this kind of debate there’s really not a lot left.
The problem is not with overall discussions of jockey’s strengths and weaknesses, but with the whiff of "talking through the pocket"
My visits to this site are infrequent due to the ending of the jumps season proper. Last twice I’ve come on, its been to see a thread started by Myceanan Princess slating Durcan. Horse wasn’t good enough simple as. Form at Newmarket wasn’t good enough to win this. Don’t dwell on it, move on.
"this kind of debate" is for the betting shop mugs. If you can’t see anything other than this rubbish on here I don;t know what threads you are reading.
I, for one, find it repetitive and predictable rather than irrelevant.
I, for one, find it repetitive and predictable rather than irrelevant.
I, for one…..
Any comments on Durcan’s ride on Portodora in the Chester 4.00?
Some praise due perhaps?!
Colin
Any comments on Durcan’s ride on Portodora in the Chester 4.00?
That Newmarket maiden is working out well.
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