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The BHA additionally have power to withdraw or suspend a licence or permit if in their opinion: 1. such action is considered necessary in the interests of racing pending the outcome of an ongoing investigation or process (whether or not undertaken by the BHA); or 2. any other good cause is shown.
If having been found guilty of corrupt practices on several different occasions previously is not "good cause" to "withdraw or suspend a licence or permit" – rather than to allow the individual concerned to continue to have access to the means by which he could engage in such corruption – then I would like to know what is.
Justice needs not only to be fair but timely. Heads should roll that this has been dragged out in this manner and that racing has had to suffer still further, imo.
gingertipster, 40 years on-course bookmaker perhaps 5 or 6 times approached by jockey go-betweens to lay their horses, refused every time but still overlayed them and they all lost.
lets look at todays incident, without betting exchanges, what realistically could be taken out of a horse at southwell, I’d guess about a monkey,
How would illegal layers go about it, approach a BIG bookie and ask him to take £10K out of a horse in readies, how could it be done, not on racecourses most days, put a sign in shop window we are offering 14/1 this 3/1 chance, laughable, where would the readies to pay come from.
I’m not that naive to pretend it never happened before exchanges, but NOT on the scale of recent years,
leave the sweet shop open all night unattended and honest people become shoplifters.
I’ve seen it first hand Barry when it backfired on a Norhern jump jockey at Ayr. The 2 grand he was out to win illegally cost him 11 grand.
Without mentioning the Jockeys name the Fav for the race belonged to Joe Lisle and was cruising in the lead when he came down at the third last "leaving the horse" in 3rd. At the second last the new leader came down and before he knew it the jockey found him right up the backside of the new leader with 1 to jump. He sat there motionless while the other jocky was flat to the boards.
The jockey in question was going so well at this stage had no choice but wi the race. Knowing what I did I was in absolute stitches the next day when the jockey was praised on how cool he had been in the finish.
Hang on a min here.
A Class 6 Madien at Southwell on a November Tuesday.
Horse missed the break and looked a bit keen and green in the early stages.
Travelled ok through the middle part around the turn to the 2f point.
Began to stay on when the penny dropped as it was its first run and if it was over 7f then possibly would have won or at least be in first three.
Dean McKeown knows he has a big suspension so why bother to piss about with a poxy Class 6 race at Southwell which is a meeting which know one would really care about with Exeters top class card being on.
Dean McKeown knows he has a big suspension so why bother to piss about with a poxy Class 6 race at Southwell which is a meeting which know one would really care about with Exeters top class card being on.
That may be a rhetorical question, if it is a question at all, so I shall answer with another:
If a veteran jockey had been banned, but was allowed to continue riding pending appeal while stating publicly that he thought he had virtually no chance of getting the ban rescinded, why on Earth would he not look to pull a few last strokes before the game is finally up?
So you’re condoning a jockey riding an entire 6 furlong race on the all-weather without making any effort to encourage the horse forward just because the animal concerned was an inexperienced maiden? I’ve seen more animated rides in schooling bumpers over here!
As for missing the break, a lot of these drifters seem to do that…If a veteran jockey had been banned, but was allowed to continue riding pending appeal while stating publicly that he thought he had virtually no chance of getting the ban rescinded, why on Earth would he not look to pull a few last strokes before the game is finally up?
Spot on, my thoughts entirely
Pound to a penny he’ll be shacked up in Gary Carter’s hideaway down Mijas way by Christmas
Are the One-Six-One Partnership established/well-known owners?
The BHA additionally have power to withdraw or suspend a licence or permit if in their opinion: 1. such action is considered necessary in the interests of racing pending the outcome of an ongoing investigation or process (whether or not undertaken by the BHA); or 2. any other good cause is shown.
If having been found guilty of corrupt practices on several different occasions previously is not “good cause” to “withdraw or suspend a licence or permit” – rather than to allow the individual concerned to continue to have access to the means by which he could engage in such corruption – then I would like to know what is.
Justice needs not only to be fair but timely. Heads should roll that this has been dragged out in this manner and that racing has had to suffer still further, imo.
Pru
Rule 2(viii) states that “Where the BHA make any decision against which there is a right of appeal under Appendix J paragraph 13(b) to these Orders and Rules it shall take effect as follows:-
(a) a decision to withdraw or suspend a licence or permit for a period of 3 months or more or to declare a person a Disqualified Person shall take effect on the day after the announcement of the decision unless and subject to such conditions as the HRA or the Appeal Board shall otherwise direct.”In basic terms, the disqualification (‘warning-off’) should commence the day after the decision unless otherwise stated. In this instance, the Disciplinary Panel specifically stated that the penalities would not kick in until 7 days after they had received the reasons for the penalties.
The Disciplinary Panel has been set up to be what is ultimately an independent tribunal, in this particular instance chaired by a QC, ensuring that we are not, and cannot legitimately be accused of being, prosecution, jury and judge.
I appreciate your frustrations but we – the BHA – have to respect the Panel’s decision. However, following events at Southwell today acted as swiftly as we legitimately could.
I hope this goes someway to explaining.
Paul
It explains it, but it does not justify it.
Would it be fair to say that today’s events have shown (not that it needed to be shown) that this approach was open to abuse and was therefore flawed?
Or do we potentially have to put up with this sort of thing time and again?
Legitimate questions Pru that I am unable to answer at the present, as I’m sure you understand.
It was as obvious as a sore thumb.
The horse missed the break, but travelled very well, and didnt even get asked a question and nearly ran into 4th place.
With a bit more effort and determination from the saddle, im sure the horse would have finished a lot, lot closer to the front.
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Exactly the same thing happened with Stevie Gee in 2006, something which went seemingly unnoticed when he hacked up next time out having been backed into 8/1 from 40/1.
I keep forgetting the jockey’s name, but I’m sure it sounds like ‘exposed cheat’.
Surely that rule should be changed now and these shysters should be suspended on full pay if necessary.
This isn’t exactly the first time a lame duck jockey has gone to the well one last time in the most brazen manner. Just look at some of Burgle’s coups right up to the minute he stepped on the plane.
Or look at Hillside Girl – executed the day before the memorandum of understanding came in. Telling people that they’ve got a few more days to make hay while the paperwork’s finished and the tuck shop’s closed for good just invites larceny.
Exactly the same thing happened with Stevie Gee in 2006, something which went seemingly unnoticed when he hacked up next time out having been backed into 8/1 from 40/1.
I keep forgetting the jockey’s name, but I’m sure it sounds like ‘exposed cheat’.
The list of jockeys that have partnered Stevie Gee down the years reads like a who’s who.
gingertipster, 40 years on-course bookmaker perhaps 5 or 6 times approached by jockey go-betweens to lay their horses, refused every time but still overlayed them and they all lost.
Barry, didn’t you feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty overlaying those horses and did you alert the authorities!?
Hmmmmm.
Todays events do not look good, and in my opinion it looks very suspicious and probably is illegal.
However, I remember watching the Top Cees race and being even more certain of skulduggery in that case than I am today.
However I was "proved" wrong when it went to court.
If this case goes to court what do you think will be the outcome?
Mark
Value Is Everythinggingertipster, 40 years on-course bookmaker perhaps 5 or 6 times approached by jockey go-betweens to lay their horses, refused every time but still overlayed them and they all lost.
Barry, didn’t you feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty overlaying those horses and did you alert the authorities!?
Thing is where is the proof? What is the point in doing so?
Mark
Value Is EverythingAre the One-Six-One Partnership established/well-known owners?
A correspondent kindly pm’d me with the following:
The One-Six-One Partnership own one other horse, a beast called Miss Cameo. Miss Cameo is a 2yo trained by R Whitaker and has been ridden by Dean McKeown on all three of her starts to date. I doubt you will be surprised if you look up the comments in running on those three runs, the latest coming in the 5.20 at Wolverhampton yesterday (Monday) – you may be excused for feeling a sense of deja vu if you watch that race.As these races and the one at Southwell yesterday may eventually form part of the investigating authorities’ version of sub judice, I offer no comment so make of them what you will
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