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Boycie was doing a pretty good impersonation of Columbo earlier on ATR, during his interview with DMcK.
Interesting that the buyer of Rascal In The Mix at Keeneland auction house is a "D. R. McKeown"
Exactly the same thing happened with Stevie Gee in 2006, something which went seemingly unnoticed when he hacked up next time out having been backed into 8/1 from 40/1.
I keep forgetting the jockey’s name, but I’m sure it sounds like ‘exposed cheat’.
The list of jockeys that have partnered Stevie Gee down the years reads like a who’s who.
Is the owner of the horse the same Steven Gray that is the greyhound odds compiler for Paddy Power?
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We need barrier trials for maidens like they have in oz. Imdeate stewards enquiries as soon as he horses pas the post and the horss not brought into the winners enclosure till the result in made public.
Public barrier trails for horses caught cheating, harsh and very public penatys for those caught cheating.
Plus payment for a photo shoot for the conections of the horse ( IE them geting their a trophy, standing with their horse and jockey etc) who should won in the case of were it not for a horse has been plotted or had drugs too enhance its performance.
If you want a very public example of public schooling look at Kicking Kings last run, i have seen novice hurdlers being schooled at middlham gallops being given a more agressive ride than that horse was given.
The stewards should have should voided the race, the jockey made sod all effort too get after his mount and ask him for maxiumim effort.Mr McKeown has been caught with hand in the till once too often, thats one less scroat in the saddle…
We need barrier trials for maidens like they have in oz. Imdeate stewards enquiries as soon as he horses pas the post and the horss not brought into the winners enclosure till the result in made public.
Public barrier trails for horses caught cheating, harsh and very public penatys for those caught cheating.
Plus payment for a photo shoot for the conections of the horse ( IE them geting their a trophy, standing with their horse and jockey etc) who should won in the case of were it not for a horse has been plotted or had drugs too enhance its performance.
If you want a very public example of public schooling look at Kicking Kings last run, i have seen novice hurdlers being schooled at middlham gallops being given a more agressive ride than that horse was given.
The stewards should have should voided the race, the jockey made sod all effort too get after his mount and ask him for maxiumim effort.Mr McKeown has been caught with hand in the till once too often, thats one less scroat in the saddle…
I think you’ve already exceeded your weekly alcohol intake.
I dont chuffing drink, my brains addaled as it is.
The horse is a tapit out of a storm cat mare, its bred for the dirt oval and probably trains on an alweather surface at home. If the horse was such a train wreck then you would not run it on a horrid surface like southwell.
I’m not that naive to pretend it never happened before exchanges, but NOT on the scale of recent years,
leave the sweet shop open all night unattended and honest people become shoplifters.
A number of ex jockeys books have suggested that unscrupulous activities happened with some regularity, Barry.
Regarding the sweet shop analogy, the difference is that now the shoplifters leave an audit trail. Would you be in a position to open up your records to confirm every bet and who made it? Whilst additional accounts can clearly be set up on the exchanges, significant values of laying or backing will still be spotted on betfair. A traditional bookie – as far as I am aware – does not make such patterns clear to the BHB (or similar) on such a regular basis.
Betfair could be and possibly is a licence for cheats, but it also has more regulation than the rest of the industry.
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Alderbrook who is to say that the person behind the screen betting is the person they registerd details with. I for one believe that stolen details or details of an relitive over 70 years of age could be used.
gingertipster, 40 years on-course bookmaker perhaps 5 or 6 times approached by jockey go-betweens to lay their horses, refused every time but still overlayed them and they all lost.
lets look at todays incident, without betting exchanges, what realistically could be taken out of a horse at southwell, I’d guess about a monkey,
How would illegal layers go about it, approach a BIG bookie and ask him to take £10K out of a horse in readies, how could it be done, not on racecourses most days, put a sign in shop window we are offering 14/1 this 3/1 chance, laughable, where would the readies to pay come from.
I’m not that naive to pretend it never happened before exchanges, but NOT on the scale of recent years,
leave the sweet shop open all night unattended and honest people become shoplifters.
I know quite a few older racing enthusiasts who say to me there is more coruption these days with exchanges etc.
But these are also people who went racing before camera patrol films. Surely there was more skulduggery then? I remember Francome in his book saying of one incident at Chepstow. In a long distance race run in fog, a jockey stopped on the first circuit, then rejoined when they came past second time around, and won the race!
Mark
Value Is EverythingJF also writes a fictional book every year," never let the truth get in the way of a good story".
I think the original story suggests he missed out all the fences on the far side, but hey who cares.
there is no doubt it is far easier to lay horses now obviously with the introduction of exchanges,
could stable connections resist taking £50 out of a horse they THINK might not be spot on that day,
or originally was there queues of people approaching on-course bookies asking them to take £50 out for them,
which is easier and more likely?
Alderbrook who is to say that the person behind the screen betting is the person they registerd details with. I for one believe that stolen details or details of an relitive over 70 years of age could be used.
Clearly that isn’t an issue when you look at the recent corruption cases. Although the laying of horses has been done on accounts by non-registered personnel, the linking of the phone records shows there is enough evidence on the balance of probabilities that the conspiracy has taken place.
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Laughably, none of that is a crime; only telling people about them.
I remember Francome in his book saying of one incident at Chepstow. In a long distance race run in fog, a jockey stopped on the first circuit, then rejoined when they came past second time around, and won the race!
Mark
Almost correct, but the jockey in question didn’t stop and wait for them to come round, he merely galloped past the fences in the back straight on the inside to save ground and rejoined the race proper in the latter stages, pipping Francome for third on the run in. I forget who it was now but heard the story again recently. I think winning a race like that would be considered beyond the pale but sneaking up for a place was almost viewed as a prank.
Francome himself reprised the story for one of his answers in the Post‘s “Questionnaire” feature a few Sundays back, IIRC.
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