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Connections didn’t seem bothered yesterday about his action or firmer ground for the Derby and if you like him then 8-1 isn’t at all bad.
Do you expect Coolmore to say they consider a horse best on soft ground Brigadier? With a round actioned horse I’d like to see him run on a sound surface before backing him for anything ante-post let alone the Derby. Quite a lot of round actioned horses can act on flat surfaces but most struggle on very undulating tracks like Epsom. Having said that, if Kingsbarns does act has obvious potential.
Haven’t ruled out Steeler for the Derby either. Reportedly upset in the prelims and first start on going that soft. Probably over the top for the season and yet did best of those up with the pace.
Value Is EverythingI was surprised to see Steeler so prominent given his previous runs and the softer ground. The winner passed him with any amount of ease and he folded a bit tamely. The winner was very impressive in only his second start and deserves to be favourite for Epsom but 4/1 is nonsense. I think Kingsbarns was every bit as impressive as Camelot last year and probably beat a better horse in Steeler than Camelot did with Fencing in the previous renewal.
It must be great to be able to simply open a stable door and pull out a maiden winner that can hose up in a group one race next time. An embarrassment of riches indeed.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Connections didn’t seem bothered yesterday about his action or firmer ground for the Derby and if you like him then 8-1 isn’t at all bad.
Do you expect Coolmore to say they consider a horse best on soft ground Brigadier? With a round actioned horse I’d like to see him run on a sound surface before backing him for anything ante-post let alone the Derby. Quite a lot of round actioned horses can act on flat surfaces but most struggle on very undulating tracks like Epsom. Having said that, if Kingsbarns does act has obvious potential.
Haven’t ruled out Steeler for the Derby either. Reportedly upset in the prelims and first start on going that soft. Probably over the top for the season and yet did best of those up with the pace.
I don’t think Steeler will get the Derby trip based on today’s effort. I have a feeling we might see him in the French Derby instead.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Haven’t ruled out Steeler for the Derby either. Reportedly upset in the prelims and first start on going that soft. Probably over the top for the season and yet did best of those up with the pace.
I don’t think Steeler will get the Derby trip based on today’s effort. I have a feeling we might see him in the French Derby instead.
Steeler may be by Raven’s Pass Steve, but the dam won the "Fillies St Leger" (Park Hill Stakes) and produced a 1 1/2m winner by Oasis Dream. Raven’s Pass was an enthusiastic sort, who didn’t learn to settle fully until very late in his career. Only fulfilling potential in his last three races. Proving stamina enough to win the Breeders Cup Classic over 1m2f.
Steeler does not have the "enthusiasm" to get on with things his sire displayed, so should stay further; especially when considering the maternal line. Steeler could be said to be lazy, seemingly never travelling as well as those around him; therefore will settle well. However, this laziness is no bad thing, finding plenty when asked for effort and very genuine in a finish. Steeler’s temperament suggests to me he’ll stay at least 1m4f easily and (if remaining with Mark Johnston) even the St Leger trip will be within his grasp.
Value Is EverythingJust another ground hog day at the forum. Nobody willing to take on the winner so we cry he beat nothing.Or he won’t get going like this in May.Very impressive indeed.
Just another ground hog day at the forum. Nobody willing to take on the winner so we cry he beat nothing.Or he won’t get going like this in May.Very impressive indeed.
This from the man who insisted he couldnt win! Yes another ground hog day in the forum alright!
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Do you expect Coolmore to say they consider a horse best on soft ground Brigadier? With a round actioned horse I’d like to see him run on a sound surface before backing him for anything ante-post let alone the Derby. Quite a lot of round actioned horses can act on flat surfaces but most struggle on very undulating tracks like Epsom. Having said that, if Kingsbarns does act has obvious potential.
Well as he’s never raced on firm ground how would they know for sure what his best surface is? I never take what connections say as gospel but it is worth at least as much as the opinions of others.
Do you expect Coolmore to say they consider a horse best on soft ground Brigadier? With a round actioned horse I’d like to see him run on a sound surface before backing him for anything ante-post let alone the Derby. Quite a lot of round actioned horses can act on flat surfaces but most struggle on very undulating tracks like Epsom. Having said that, if Kingsbarns does act has obvious potential.
Well as he’s never raced on firm ground how would they know for sure what his best surface is? I never take what connections say as gospel but it is worth at least as much as the opinions of others.
Nobody "
knows for sure
what Kingsbarns’ best surface is" Brigadier, but it is
known
that round actioned horses are
often less effective
on a firm surface. And of those that do on flat tracks –
even fewer
act on undulating courses when conditions are on the
firm
side.
With Mike Dillon so close to Coolmore and Laddies shortest price for Saturday; it’s also disconcerting they’re a stand out best price for Epsom. It suggests to me connections believe firm going may be a problem. May be Kingsbarns has been disappointing when working on ground with less give. Not saying Kingsbarns won’t win the Derby, just that anyone backing him now needs to bare his action in mind, ie whether the price is worth the risk. Make no mistake, if it wasn’t for the round action I’d be taking 8/1. There’s little doubt Kingsbarns will win top races as a 3 year old.
Value Is EverythingHi Jonibake,partially right and partially wrong.I did say that when Aidan clears out his other runners so that Joseph is the only runner in the race from Ballydoyle that is an indication that he will win,did I not? Of course Aidan says that that decision was made by the "lads". We will see if that process continues when Joseph is not around.I admit I did not think they would bring such a horse back so soon.But I believe the presence of Joseph in the mix skews the decisions.
Haven’t ruled out Steeler for the Derby either. Reportedly upset in the prelims and first start on going that soft. Probably over the top for the season and yet did best of those up with the pace.
I don’t think Steeler will get the Derby trip based on today’s effort. I have a feeling we might see him in the French Derby instead.
Steeler may be by Raven’s Pass Steve, but the dam won the "Fillies St Leger" (Park Hill Stakes) and produced a 1 1/2m winner by Oasis Dream. Raven’s Pass was an enthusiastic sort, who didn’t learn to settle fully until very late in his career. Only fulfilling potential in his last three races. Proving stamina enough to win the Breeders Cup Classic over 1m2f.
Steeler does not have the "enthusiasm" to get on with things his sire displayed, so should stay further; especially when considering the maternal line. Steeler could be said to be lazy, seemingly never travelling as well as those around him; therefore will settle well. However, this laziness is no bad thing, finding plenty when asked for effort and very genuine in a finish. Steeler’s temperament suggests to me he’ll stay at least 1m4f easily and (if remaining with Mark Johnston) even the St Leger trip will be within his grasp.
He raced quite prominently on Saturday in comparison with his previous races, perhaps the softer ground allowed him to do that. I am not really a slave to pedigree when it comes to stamina prognosis and tend to rely on visual impression. Steeler looked a tired horse by the end, conceding second place and I feel he may fall between classic distances next year. I just have a feeling that he may follow Shamardal’s path. Good luck with the Leger!!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I just have a feeling that he may follow Shamardal’s path. Good luck with the Leger!!
Haven’t backed Steeler for the St Leger yet, will wait until next year and see what happens. Do have 33/1 for the Derby. I xxxxxx hope Steeler doesn’t "follow Shamardal’s path" Steve! Just before the Goodwood Champagne Stakes I had 33/1 Shamardal for the Guineas!
Favourite for the race until deciding to go to Kentucky. Then won the St James’s Palace. 
Value Is EverythingThink you’ve got it right Hammy. I believe the race itself had a better over all field than last year, but the ground puts a question mark over whether the form will work out on a sound surface. Ladbrokes were shortest price for Kingsbarns today. They are now standout best prices for both Guineas and Derby. With Mike Dillon very close to Coolmore, suspect he’s been tipped off by AOB & Co they believe the round actioned Kingsbarns needs a soft surface to show his best.
I doubt very much whether Ladbrokes were doing anything more than taking a realistic stance. They were the standout price about Dawn Approach as well. Very much doubt that the Ballydoyle gallops are akin to a quagmire and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the winner turned out to be even better on a quicker surface.
I just have a feeling that he may follow Shamardal’s path. Good luck with the Leger!!
Haven’t backed Steeler for the St Leger yet, will wait until next year and see what happens. Do have 33/1 for the Derby. I xxxxxx hope Steeler doesn’t "follow Shamardal’s path" Steve! Just before the Goodwood Champagne Stakes I had 33/1 Shamardal for the Guineas!
Favourite for the race until deciding to go to Kentucky. Then won the St James’s Palace. I have a sporting bet on Steeler for the 2000 G at 33/1 but am far from confident. I too had Shamardal ante post for the 2000 G and then watched him win the French Derby. Not quite my worst 2000 Guineas moment, which was when a local bookie was just about to give me 20/1 on King of Kings for the 2000 Guineas and another punter piped up that he had seen it at 10/1 somewhere. Needless to say we never shook hands on the 20/1 thereafter. Interfering A…hole that guy was!!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Favourite for the race until deciding to go to Kentucky. Then won the St James’s Palace. 
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