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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Agreed i see PP very very hard to beat, but a length behind him at Ascot and you are happy to rule out Pinatubo as only able to finish 2nd? Not sure a bullish trainer like Appleby will think like that if he wins this weekend vs Circus, Siskin, Romanised etc.

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    #1499664
    Mike007
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    If you think he will go then go for it.

    #1499667
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Well i mean, if he wins like his price suggests on Sunday he should, what else will they do?

    It’s obviously a bet that could look bad if he loses come Sunday.

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    #1499668
    Istabraq
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    the breeders cup mile is another option for pinatubo

    #1499669
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    100% Ista, but i’d imagine you’d be looking at taking both races in!

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    I’d keep your money Jack if I were you. Ascot is totally different running round a bend for the SJP compared to running up the straight mile for the QEII. I’d give him no chance personally, whether he wins on Sunday or not. He’s shown absolutely nothing to suggest he can stay a stiff Ascot straight mile on soft ground

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Firstly, at 20-1, if he wins on Sunday, i’m looking at a single figure shot i imagine, so i’m not too worried.

    It’s different yes, but the way he raced at Ascot with little cover and travelling to well 2fs out, suggests to me, if they can ride him cold, he could finish well. He did stay last time at Ascot, just not as well as PP, who i think will win. However, 20-1 is 20-1. I’d have him ahead of Century Dream on form anyway + with 3pds :yes:

    Every horse has their chance Frenchy + his is better than a 20-1 shot.

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    I don’t think he is, I’d have Century Dream over Pinatubo at the QEII on soft in a matched bet.

    You’re also banking he wins on Sunday for that bet and that he defo goes to the QEII. Even if he wins on Sunday, I really doubt he will turn up on soft on Champions Day.

    If he wins on Sunday, if he turns up at Ascot, if the ground is not a bog….way too many if’s. Much better chances than that I’d say. Roseman is one I was looking at the other day based on his run last year at Newmarket. 25/1. I’d take him in a matched bet as well on a soft straight mile

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Fair enough lads- i did say at the beginning Ascot might not be perfect for him, but if he does win come Sunday, which he’s even money to do, he’ll probably be 6s or 7s for here. Siskin is 8s ffs for here and 8s for France ffs!

    I think PP will win, but from a price perspective i think Pinatubo is overs. Also, if he wins on Sunday, i can always trade out of him if necessary, though i do think if he wins they’ll go here, as i said before where else? Back to 7f to meet his stablemate? America- yes, but why not run at Ascot too, it can easily be fit in beforehand.

    I respect Roseman has some soft ground form to his name, but beating CD last year wasn’t very difficult. So, nothing out of the ordinary there. Even his 4th this year doesn’t look anything special lets be honest.

    I don’t love Pinatubo, but i think there’s a few in here forgetting he’s a good horse and are forgetting the 3yo miles look a heck of a lot better than the older milers who have been absolutely useless in the main for years.

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    Think both horses have their pro and con if they run. A dry week and Pinatubo would look better for a place and on soft Century Dream would look better for a place. Too early to say which is the best 20-1 shot.

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    Mike007
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    Pinatubo also holds an entry in the Champions Sprint i heard.

    #1499779
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Probably for when Siskin cruises past him on Sunday ;-) No but seriously, I think that makes sense, as if he doesn’t win come Sunday and doesn’t shape like the mile suited, they will drop him back you’d imagine, and with Space Blues looking foret bound they are probably keeping all options open!

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    Istabraq
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    pinatubo down to 10s & 8s now

    #1500150
    Mike987654
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    Palace pier was evens with WH but they have cut him after persian king winning to 4/5 best price now 10/11.

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    Mike007
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    My 2-1 ticket is looking a bit better. :-)

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