September 3, 2020 at 11:06 #1499663
Agreed i see PP very very hard to beat, but a length behind him at Ascot and you are happy to rule out Pinatubo as only able to finish 2nd? Not sure a bullish trainer like Appleby will think like that if he wins this weekend vs Circus, Siskin, Romanised etc.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 3, 2020 at 11:14 #1499664
If you think he will go then go for it.September 3, 2020 at 11:22 #1499667
Well i mean, if he wins like his price suggests on Sunday he should, what else will they do?
It’s obviously a bet that could look bad if he loses come Sunday.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 3, 2020 at 11:30 #1499668IstabraqParticipant
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the breeders cup mile is another option for pinatuboSeptember 3, 2020 at 11:35 #1499669
100% Ista, but i’d imagine you’d be looking at taking both races in!
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 3, 2020 at 11:51 #1499671Frenchy15Participant
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I’d keep your money Jack if I were you. Ascot is totally different running round a bend for the SJP compared to running up the straight mile for the QEII. I’d give him no chance personally, whether he wins on Sunday or not. He’s shown absolutely nothing to suggest he can stay a stiff Ascot straight mile on soft groundSeptember 3, 2020 at 13:40 #1499688
Firstly, at 20-1, if he wins on Sunday, i’m looking at a single figure shot i imagine, so i’m not too worried.
It’s different yes, but the way he raced at Ascot with little cover and travelling to well 2fs out, suggests to me, if they can ride him cold, he could finish well. He did stay last time at Ascot, just not as well as PP, who i think will win. However, 20-1 is 20-1. I’d have him ahead of Century Dream on form anyway + with 3pds
Every horse has their chance Frenchy + his is better than a 20-1 shot.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 3, 2020 at 15:36 #1499700Frenchy15Participant
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I don’t think he is, I’d have Century Dream over Pinatubo at the QEII on soft in a matched bet.
You’re also banking he wins on Sunday for that bet and that he defo goes to the QEII. Even if he wins on Sunday, I really doubt he will turn up on soft on Champions Day.
If he wins on Sunday, if he turns up at Ascot, if the ground is not a bog….way too many if’s. Much better chances than that I’d say. Roseman is one I was looking at the other day based on his run last year at Newmarket. 25/1. I’d take him in a matched bet as well on a soft straight mileSeptember 3, 2020 at 18:54 #1499729
Fair enough lads- i did say at the beginning Ascot might not be perfect for him, but if he does win come Sunday, which he’s even money to do, he’ll probably be 6s or 7s for here. Siskin is 8s ffs for here and 8s for France ffs!
I think PP will win, but from a price perspective i think Pinatubo is overs. Also, if he wins on Sunday, i can always trade out of him if necessary, though i do think if he wins they’ll go here, as i said before where else? Back to 7f to meet his stablemate? America- yes, but why not run at Ascot too, it can easily be fit in beforehand.
I respect Roseman has some soft ground form to his name, but beating CD last year wasn’t very difficult. So, nothing out of the ordinary there. Even his 4th this year doesn’t look anything special lets be honest.
I don’t love Pinatubo, but i think there’s a few in here forgetting he’s a good horse and are forgetting the 3yo miles look a heck of a lot better than the older milers who have been absolutely useless in the main for years.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 3, 2020 at 21:28 #1499756
Think both horses have their pro and con if they run. A dry week and Pinatubo would look better for a place and on soft Century Dream would look better for a place. Too early to say which is the best 20-1 shot.September 4, 2020 at 07:58 #1499777
Pinatubo also holds an entry in the Champions Sprint i heard.September 4, 2020 at 08:20 #1499779
Probably for when Siskin cruises past him on Sunday No but seriously, I think that makes sense, as if he doesn’t win come Sunday and doesn’t shape like the mile suited, they will drop him back you’d imagine, and with Space Blues looking foret bound they are probably keeping all options open!
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 6, 2020 at 15:41 #1500146IstabraqParticipant
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pinatubo down to 10s & 8s nowSeptember 6, 2020 at 16:00 #1500150Mike987654Participant
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Palace pier was evens with WH but they have cut him after persian king winning to 4/5 best price now 10/11.September 6, 2020 at 16:04 #1500151
My 2-1 ticket is looking a bit better.
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