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Racing was NOT straighter pre exchanges.
Trust.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Got to say I am kinda with Mr Yeats here.
Bookies’ early prices are “invitations to treat” and nothing more.
The ricks and stand out prices are often never laid at all unless you’re a long term loser in which case you will be accommodated.
As any proper pro will tell you, if you think picking winners is the hard bit, think again.
It’s getting on.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"It is tough for bookies with early morning prices – you’ve got to sympathise.
Bookies want to honour their newspaper prices, at least for a reasonable period, but the exchanges are naturally prone to fluctuation in the morning and produce arbs. Quite rightly, bookies want to lay to straight punters rather than arbing vermin, so it’s a tricky spot to be in.
I agree that there should be a better solution, though.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gingertipster wrote:</div>
Unlike SP and late betting – I’d be surprised if the best price over-round in Early Odds betting is not better than it’s ever been. Giving punters a great chance of showing a profit.
Something doesn’t ring true with you Gingertipster. You’re apparently a pro punter who consistently makes a profit yet you are forever trumpeting bookmakers and what value can be had with them.
It is common knowledge that bookmakers don’t entertain people like you, these bogus early odds that you state are such good value are only available to regular losers not regular winners like your good self.
Most bookmakers should be done under the trades description act but out of these “bookmakers” which do you regularly bet with Gingertipster?
Coral – Power – Boyles – Chandler – Betfair Sportsbook – Betfred – Betway- Bet 365?
EDITED: It’s difficult enough for me to get on and just in case a bookie sees this I’ve edited. So if you hadn’t seen what I wrote Yeats, you’ll just have to MYOB. I don’t need to prove myself to you or anyone else.
My DLAP threads are advisory. Am not going to advise my follower to take 11/2 if 6/1 is available with Victor Chandler; even though I can not take the 6/1 myself my follower probably does have a VC account. Sometimes I’ll put up a price when I’ve personally taken bigger on Betfair. A lot of my own bets are on the exchanges, but liquidity is a problem at the time I usually bet and prices change very quickly. So on my DLAP thread I like to put up the best bookmaker price at time of writing; judged from looking on Oddschecker. Going out of my way to put up prices which are available (at least to punters who do not have restricted accounts). Never knowingly put up a price that is no longer available. Indeed, immediately after putting up a bet – if I see on oddschecker the price is already gone – I’ll come back and say the price had gone before I could put it up so will call it …. (shorter). eg Washington DC at Ascot. So am very careful not to put up “bogus” prices! I don’t like putting up prices of the newer bookies on oddschecker TRFers might not have accounts with. eg Last night I put up Ayrad @ 16/1 for the 3:15 Newmarket tomorrow despite (according to Oddschecker) 20/1 being available with 888.
There’s something that rings green about you Yeats.
Value Is EverythingThis is the bit you missed Yeats:
It’s as easy as it’s ever been to pick winners. Or rather – it’s as easy as it has ever been to make an overall profit (if you can get on).
ie The Early Odds best price over-round “Gives punters a great chance of showing a profit”, but once a punter shows a profit he/she is likely to have their accounts closed or restricted.
Unfortunately, with the competition bookmakers face these days the over-rounds they need to work to (which is initially very good for punters) to get business… Increased competition and smaller profit margins unfortunately also means they need to close more accounts than they used to years ago.
Am not a fan of bookmakers; have even suggested a way we can get rid of them. But I do understand why they need to close accounts and the way some punters blame them for everything is crazy.
Value Is EverythingAs any proper pro will tell you, if you think picking winners is the hard bit, think again.
It’s getting on.
Betting semi-seriously on the exchanges for over 10 years now and I’ve never had a problem getting on. In fact you can have as much as you want if you wait for the last ten minutes.
I’ve long since come to terms with high turnover low ROI punting and I love it, mainly for its simplicity and convenience.
These miserable old style punters who seemingly cant derive any pleasure from their betting unless accommodated for hundreds on a morning 5/1 that ends up 3/1 really should adapt or shut up. How the bookies operate is how the bookies operate. The exchanges are where it’s at. In many ways it truly is a golden age for betting on horseracing.
I often wonder how many of these “cant get on” merchants are fantasists anyway.
Although I’d vouch for Ginger, he’s a genuine top notcher who knows what he’s talking about.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>yeats wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gingertipster wrote:</div>
Unlike SP and late betting – I’d be surprised if the best price over-round in Early Odds betting is not better than it’s ever been. Giving punters a great chance of showing a profit.Something doesn’t ring true with you Gingertipster. You’re apparently a pro punter who consistently makes a profit yet you are forever trumpeting bookmakers and what value can be had with them.
It is common knowledge that bookmakers don’t entertain people like you, these bogus early odds that you state are such good value are only available to regular losers not regular winners like your good self.
Most bookmakers should be done under the trades description act but out of these “bookmakers” which do you regularly bet with Gingertipster?
Coral – Power – Boyles – Chandler – Betfair Sportsbook – Betfred – Betway- Bet 365?
EDITED: It’s difficult enough for me to get on and just in case a bookie sees this I’ve edited. So if you hadn’t seen what I wrote Yeats, you’ll just have to MYOB. I don’t need to prove myself to you or anyone else.
Too late, I’ve already got the information down on paper for future reference
eg You never bet with Betway or Boyles, Stan James & Chandlers don’t let you bet with them, Fred Done is a waste of time, you have no probs with Bet 365 etc etc
I’m not quite sure though why you think whether you get on with “bookmakers” or not is proving yourself
This is the bit you missed Yeats:
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gingertipster wrote:</div>
It’s as easy as it’s ever been to pick winners. Or rather – it’s as easy as it has ever been to make an overall profit (if you can get on).
ie The Early Odds best price over-round “Gives punters a great chance of showing a profit”, but once a punter shows a profit he/she is likely to have their accounts closed or restricted.
Unfortunately, with the competition bookmakers face these days the over-rounds they need to work to (which is initially very good for punters) to get business… Increased competition and smaller profit margins unfortunately also means they need to close more accounts than they used to years ago.
Am not a fan of bookmakers; have even suggested a way we can get rid of them. But I do understand why they need to close accounts and the way some punters blame them for everything is crazy.
I don’t I think they’re a disgrace. As I’ve said elsewhere 92% (approx) of people who bet will lose in the long run, if bookmakers can’t make a profit from them they are a joke.
Some people will win but to close their accounts is basically saying “we only accommodate people who lose”. That is morally wrong in the bookmaking industry.
I can understand any bookmaker that puts a limit on an amount a successful punter can win on any given bet, or in a month / year, whatever but to close accounts completely or to restrict them to the point where they accept £1 bets and silly things like that is shameful on any bookmaker. The government or somebody should be doing something to stop this.
After I say I do not want bookies to see what I’ve edited out, you deliberately show it Yeats!
Value Is EverythingI’m not quite sure though why you think whether you get on with “bookmakers” or not is proving yourself
I don’t, I just answered the question you yourself asked. :lol:
“Out of these bookmakers which do you regularly bet with Gingertipster”?
Value Is EverythingOne of Ginge’s methods is to back more than one horse
in any given race.I fully subscribe to that , and have been doing just that
for many years – possibly even before Ginge took any interest in horse racing.Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
I don’t I think they’re a disgrace. As I’ve said elsewhere 92% (approx) of people who bet will lose in the long run, if bookmakers can’t make a profit from them they are a joke.
Some people will win but to close their accounts is basically saying “we only accommodate people who lose”. That is morally wrong in the bookmaking industry.
I can understand any bookmaker that puts a limit on an amount a successful punter can win on any given bet, or in a month / year, whatever but to close accounts completely or to restrict them to the point where they accept £1 bets and silly things like that is shameful on any bookmaker. The government or somebody should be doing something to stop this.
Agreed IB, although I can see why bookies need to close some accounts, some should not be closed at all and the restricting accounts to silly £1 or £5 bets is simply dishonest imo. It’s in effect a closed account, but when asked “how many accounts do you close” they can make out it is “officially” less than it actually is.
Value Is EverythingAs any proper pro will tell you, if you think picking winners is the hard bit, think again.
It’s getting on.
Betting semi-seriously on the exchanges for over 10 years now and I’ve never had a problem getting on. In fact you can have as much as you want if you wait for the last ten minutes.
I’ve long since come to terms with high turnover low ROI punting and I love it, mainly for its simplicity and convenience.
These miserable old style punters who seemingly cant derive any pleasure from their betting unless accommodated for hundreds on a morning 5/1 that ends up 3/1 really should adapt or shut up. How the bookies operate is how the bookies operate. The exchanges are where it’s at. In many ways it truly is a golden age for betting on horseracing.
I often wonder how many of these “cant get on” merchants are fantasists anyway.
Although I’d vouch for Ginger, he’s a genuine top notcher who knows what he’s talking about.
A fine post, as ever, from Cav
A good punter is like any other business person. They adapt to changes to survive. If you can’t get on with bookies you adapt your methods to suit other outlets like exchanges or the tote.
Most punters don’t put enough work into winning on horse racing. The bulk of my punters didn’t even open a Racing Post in vain. Very few would consider ground/trip/track/draw or wonder if trainers were in form or not.
The biggest mistake people made/make in my experience is back bad value short price favourites. Punters seem to look for a high strike rate, rather than take the more patient path to value and the overall profit. Most days you will see a short priced accident waiting to happen.
Yesterday, Royal Hunt Cup runner up Temptress was backed in from 13/8 early doors to about 6/5 for a listed raced at Pontefract and everything looked set for a good run, however the alarm bells rang as she went on the drift out to 2/1 and never landed a blow.
I don’t know how much money Gingertipster is putting on his selections but it’s between him and the bookies. The fact is that his tips are there for all to see and he consistently finishes ahead of the game with some big priced ones along the way.
The bookies are lucky that most people are mugs in reality. As for the bookies’ skills, they are far from infallible. Racebets have a horse for next year’s Derby as co-favourite and I can guarantee you he won’t win the race. He made a five length winning debut and he’s by Sea The Stars, he’s trained by John Oxx and called Affinisea, so what’s not to like about his chances? Err, well, sorry Racebets but Affinisea is 4 YEARS OLD. Thick as mince!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Firstly its not personal , I am sure Ginger and you all do brilliantly …hard work paying off in spades
which is good ,,,but the last poster got it right
Most punters don’t put enough work into winning on horse racing. The bulk of my punters didn’t even open a Racing Post in vain. Very few would consider ground/trip/track/draw or wonder if trainers were in form or not.
The biggest mistake people made/make in my experience is back bad value short price favourites.Most young bettors fall into that category , which leads me to believe , that they chose football because its easier , and requires much less hard work
My question is simply , what is racing going to do about that ??
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