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That put’s quite an interesting slant on things Frank, the bit about betfair money traded. The only problem I see with that ‘system’ is that for every ‘£’ bet on a 6/4 shot, logically speaking, £1.50 is laid against it, meaning that there is more money saying it will lose. This applies to every price over 2 and not to every price under 2.
With regards to all of the other stuff you have posted, I am completely stumped and don’t know what you mean .. !!
I agree with Artemis about secrets, there’s no point in having them really, because no one believe a word that you say anyway. Not unless you market yourself and prove beyond all doubt that you are not talking out of the back of your head.
This year so far I am personally 150 points up, since the start of the flat season. I do this loss chasing, betting, laying and money-spinning. I don’t use systems to pick my horses, more like a method and don’t have many negative outcomes per event. What I do is not a secret but I can’t explain it because there’s no system, as such.
Aggressive staking to small stakes off a big bank works for me …. ;)
Sounds like a lot of fun, dave.
I’ve tried many different approaches over the years and keeping it enjoyable is important. I don’t think many people on the forum are trying to make a living out of betting, so it’s quite important to be entertained by it.<br>At the moment, I’m finding using the ratings plus positive factors method very interesting and I’m reaching modest profit targets. I don’t know how enjoyable it would be if I was betting to say, £50 a point, which is what you would have to do if you were professional. Just imagine, my maximum bet of 50 points would be £2,500. Last week would have been a £47,000 turnover for a profit of £650. I think I would need a very large bank of spare cash, probably about 1,500 points = £75,000…… I’m starting to dream.
Dead right Artemis, I have great fun and enjoy the whole process, that’s because when I put my betting bank aside, I count it as lost … before I have one bet, in my mind it’s already wasted. I’ve tried the seroius approach and didn’t like it.
When you put the figures together like you just have you get a proper perceptive about what we are all about. Good value entertainment and great fun.
If I were to bet at £50 a point my bank would have to be £2K but it’s money I’m not prepared to lose, working’s easier.<br>:cool:
Hi<br>Also i think you need a feel for the formbook,you can try 20 systems,i have and i am still not rich.I might take Daves advice on the Bank and taking it more lightheartedly though.Betfair and Sporting Options are very good tools to watch the markets with,they have helped to push my strikerate up to 40%-50%.you do not have to continuosly monitor,and it only takes 2 minutes.I cannot fathom the long shots out though,with only 20-35% of the turnover betted on the selction,the strikerate drops down to 18-25%,and i do not like those odds.<br>But i do use Betfair as almost the main tool to find winners,even if it does make you look stupid sometimes.<br> <br>
frank, one can’t afford too get to anal about the whole process or it ends up being a deamon.
The best bit on this whole thread, believe it or not, was said by Artemis, when he said … ‘keeping it enjoyable’ … he’s absolutely right and that is a REAL pearl of wisdom …
He knows the game …. and you won’t get better advise anywhere … !!
Weird way of putting it,but everyone t o themselves,i just got an email from a gay brother,he wants your number
frank,
I think Dave was referring to Freud when he mentioned anal, not Larry Grayson.
Today’s qualifying bets:
Bath  2.00 Auwitesweetheart 107(+20) 10pts win<br> 2nd <br>     2.30 Wotchalike  109(+22) 10pts win won 1/2<br>     3.00 Barbary Coast 110(+19) 10pts win unpl<br>     4.30 Skylarker 107(+13) 10pts ew 2nd 5/1<br>Exet  3.40 Willie John Daly 133(+15) 10pts win won 9/4
Stakes 60pts profit 10pts
(Edited by Artemis at 6:43 pm on Oct. 19, 2004)
HI Artemis<br>Most of Daves opinion are good,i just have a sneaky feeling he is jealous as he has to go work and slave away
frank, I have had a go at punting for a living and quickly realised that working was actually a lot easier. You should give it a go yourself …
I don’t envy anyone who makes a living at this game (or anything else!) I have mixed emotions of both respect and pity for them because I know what’s involved.<br>;)
Good luck today Artemis …. if it’s raining everywhere else like it is here in Scotland, your going to need it … :biggrin:
Totally agree with you Dave,it does get hairy at times,i hate it when that losing run doesn’t stop,i think i like the buzz though,
Today’s qualifying bets:
Nott 3.25 Etmaam 126(+14) 10pts ew unpl<br>     4.00 Royal Jet 103(+16) 10pts win unpl<br>     4.35 Aylmer Road 107(+14) 10pts win unpl
Stakes 40pts Loss 40pts
(Edited by Artemis at 8:46 am on Oct. 21, 2004)
Today’s qualifying bets:
Hayd  3.30 Shuhood 132(+11) 10pts win won 2/1<br>Brig   3.20 Kerashan 109(+21)  10pts win NR
Stakes 10pts Profit 20pts
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(Edited by Artemis at 4:40 pm on Oct. 21, 2004)
Hi Artemis<br>Here is a system that will save you hours.<br>Selection must be forecast favorite and top on postmark rating
Not logical enough for me, Frank, and what would I do with all the spare time, not to mention the money?
Favourites, forecast or actual, lose about 8% over a long period, and RPR top rated lose about 6%. There is no reason to suppose combining the two would produce a profit.
I’ve said before that if making money was that easy, we’d all be doing it. There are no quick routes to winning consistently at this game, or probably any other form of organised betting. Put the time in and study, then perhaps you might have just the glimmer of a chance.
Today’s qualifying bets:
Newb  1.15 Enforcer 106(+16) 20pts ew unpl<br>      1.45 Trilemma 108(+21) 30pts win unpl<br>Donc  2.45 Pivotal Flame 126(+16) 20 pts win won 6/4<br>      3.50 Quarrymount 108(+17) 20 pts win unpl<br>      4.25 Her Own Kind 102(+10) 10pts win won 4/5<br>Fake   3.40 Ollie Magern 148(+16) 20pts win won 4/9<br>      4.10 Direct Flight 119(+10) 10pts win won 13/8
Stakes 150pts Loss 27pts
Jumps ratings are about 35 points(lbs) above flat ratings for purposes of comparing class/grade. The minimum flat rating to qualify is seldom below 95, so any jump recommendation below 125 calls into question the class of the race, although they are always grade D+, as I don’t consider any lower grades.
(Edited by Artemis at 5:15 pm on Oct. 22, 2004)
I have noticed with the jump racing that it is a little bit easier than I thought for horses with no recent form to end up as qualifying bets (+10 or better).There are a number of reasons for this, outlined on this thread on October 13th. It will be interesting to see how these horses go, and I’m quite happy to include them as qualifying bets.
There is no doubt that the recent going is destroying a lot of the established form, rendering it worthless in such heavy conditions. There is always the temptation to change methods/systems at this point, but I do not subscribe to that view. There are still plenty of form horses winning, often at decent prices and I believe that the method I use is worth sticking with. The only thing that really annoys me is when the trainer of a horse that is well beaten on unsuitable ground says that he wasn’t disappointed because he knew his horse would hate the ground. Then why run it?
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