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- August 28, 2022 at 18:15 #1612734
Wins on the bridle doesn’t he?
I imagine there will be a few defections to the champion stakes and breeders cup turf if he lines up too
August 28, 2022 at 18:33 #1612737“Wins on the bridle doesn’t he?”
Maybe not. The last 3 runnings it’s been testing ground. And will he definitely get 12f.
August 28, 2022 at 18:45 #1612740He will definitely get 12f imo simply because of the way he relaxes in his races
He will be in 1st gear while the rest are in 3rd gear
The ground isn’t a concern as he won’t run if it’s testing Mike
Which is fair enough from connections
August 28, 2022 at 20:38 #1612750“He will definitely get 12f imo simply because of the way he relaxes in his races.”
I seen plenty of good travelling non stayers in my time. :o)
If its in his blood and guts, he’ll stay. Otherwise he won’t.
August 28, 2022 at 22:02 #1612755Well he has plenty of stamina in his pedigree so can’t see that being an issue either
August 29, 2022 at 00:40 #1612764At some point in each of his races this season Crowley has given him a smack or two with the whip so at no point has he won ‘on the bridle’ and if he does run in the Arc and if he does manage to win it he will clearly not do so ‘on the bridle’.
I do wonder what ground conditions will ultimately be their line in the sand…will it be good or good to soft and what makes it more difficult is the seeming inability of the French to give accurate going descriptions with the penetrometer with jockeys finding conditions generally a lot quicker than the official description given on the day.
I guess the stamina issue is still somewhat open to question until it is proven but a bigger question will be (if he does run) who is going to commit to putting real pace into the race right from the start to ensure that stamina will play the biggest part in determining the outcome of the race? Because if it becomes tactical early on and turns into a typically run French race then it will play all day into Baaeed’s hands and to a lesser extent Vadeni who also has to prove himself at 12F.
September 4, 2022 at 09:10 #1613319The 3.00 at Baden-Baden looms for last year’s winner.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"September 4, 2022 at 10:19 #1613329Yes and Sammarco has to be of interest here.
Receives a big allowance from rivals.
Comes here in winning form and will give the arc winner and Frankie plenty to think about.
There is an option if things go well here to supplement sammarco for Longchamp. (33/1)
In this field of four Sam and Tasso look to have it between them….
Frankie says he won this race twenty years ago on Marienbard on his way to winning the arc.
So he has hopes of keeping the ride if he can. Tasso’s contracted rider is engaged on another horse in this race….
Stranger things have happened at sea.September 5, 2022 at 00:08 #1613424Torquator tasso beaten in Germany earlier today
September 8, 2022 at 13:59 #1613770Pyledriver has had a minor setback and misses the race..
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September 8, 2022 at 14:04 #1613772No funds for betting atm but I see that Adyaar is 33/1 for the Arc, think that’s a cracking price considering it was only 3 lengths behind the winner last year on Heavy ground. Of course there is the injury concern and that he won’t be the horse he was last year, but I think that’s factored into the price and he may even have the benefit of being fresher than his rivals come Arc day – if connections choose to go the France that is. Adyar races today in 4.20 Doncaster for those not aware and can see it being slashed to between 14/1 and 20/1 after winning easily this afternoon.
September 8, 2022 at 14:04 #1613773If Baaeed doesn’t run I probably won’t even watch it
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September 8, 2022 at 14:07 #1613774It’s been raining a fair amount here the last week, can only imagine it’s the same in France and surely you’d have to think it’s more likely to be soft or heavy going than not if we’re going by recent years weather.
I want to see Baaed v Flightline over 1m2f but on a half/half track where the first 6f is turf and the last 6f is dirt (or vice versa), make it happen!
September 8, 2022 at 14:40 #1613780Would this be normal soft or heavy ground or the French version which would actually be closer to our good or good to soft
September 8, 2022 at 15:13 #1613793I always thought the French Heavy was legitimately heavy, but maybe I’ve just been mislead due to their races being run so slowly.
September 8, 2022 at 15:44 #1613804There is a very large question mark over the consistency of French penetrometer readings and how reliable they are due to some odd times run based on ground descriptions:
Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud (good to soft ground) the race time was 4.15s faster than standard
Grand Prix de Paris (good to soft ground) the race time was 1.84s faster than standard
Waldgeist 2019 Arc on very soft ground was run just 2.37s slower than standard
Sottsass 2020 Arc was on heavy and was 9.70s slower than standard
Torquator Tasso’s win last year on heavy was 8.02s slower than standard
Space Blues Foret win last year on heavy was only 4.17s slower than standardIt would seem heavy ground descriptions are usually the most accurate but after that it seems rather hit and miss.
September 14, 2022 at 09:28 #1614668Vadeni doubtful runner over stamina
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