Arc 2020

[Mike987654]

Mike we will see on Sunday. Stall 9 has only won the arc once in the last 55 years.

[Clints]

@Mike007

I hear you re the Sandown run but my concern is that that was her last real test and that was all the way back at the start of July.

I thought she was a good thing last year and I guess its more of a hunch than anything.

Hopefully im wrong and we see the class horse that she is

[Mike987654]

And Enable was in stall 9 last year when she got beat.

[Clints]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/arc-countdown/love-out-of-the-arc-as-15-declared-for-longchamp-showdown/452724

[He Didnt Like Ground]

Love is out but Enable isn’t odds on …..hmm I think the bookies are happy to take her on , personally I can’t have her after last year and will look for a e.w play

[SirHarryLewis]

I had a little bet on waldgeist last year as I imagined a scenario where he could reverse placings of the king George. That said, the race fell his way.

A repeat performance by enable will probably see her win. That said, I wonder whether serpentine will put Frankie in an awkward position of having to chase the pace again.

Might help the stayers

SHL

[mickeyjp]

Enable clearly run out of steam last year and if a soft ground horse comeslate it could happen again.To me serpentine is the bet of the race ew. I know he has a bad draw but if he bounces out and gets mid division he could be a player. Jamie lynch on at the races tipped him up and if he handles soft ground he will be there battling it out as he looks like he could stay 1m6f to me.Stradavarious will run into a place. Sottsass I suspect will be on the premises too. Mogul is a hard one to fathom as it doesn’t look like he could handle the ground but if he did then he would be right there. One of the most open arcs I can remember.Ive a feeling enable will be a bridesmaid again.

[jackh1092]

To be fair to her, she was in front too soon last year.

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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!

[mickeyjp]

Plus the ground looks like it will be nh heavy going. It will be won by those that handle it and it may just suit Japan with his dodgy feet. I can see an outsider winning it. The question is which one.

[Mike007]

If Jamie Lynch thinks he will win then he wont.
Joking aside best thing for Serpentine i think is to jump out and be up at the front. Ryan being on Mogul doesnt advertise his chance unless he had no choice.

[SirHarryLewis]

Actually here is a question.

Which is the bigger achievement?
1) Winning 3 arcs
2) Winning an ascot gold cup and an arc

Both seem as unlikely. If Stradivarius can win this arc, he would be the greatest stayer Ive ever seen.

SHL

[Mike007]

The market is not saying 1) is unlikely. And neither am I.

[botchy1]

Bit of a longshot but fancied Sovereign to run well in this for quite a while now if he turned up.

AOB said that ” he needs more time ” after his Irish Derby win last year and duly upped stumps with him for the year. You can see why they thought that because he turned up looking like a different horse at the Curragh this year, what a size he is now! Anyway ran 3rd after he had been given the most considerate ride of the year, he turned up in the three runner King George.

I watched the race a few times now and admit no way would he of beat Enable on the day, but he certainly never looked at ease on that fast ground. Enable just floated over it in comparison.

Ran way below par in the St.Leger held up on good ground which probably explains why he is 100/1. If he came straight here he would be 20/1 now.

I hope the ground will be the thing with him, looked very comfortable on heavy when he won his maiden at Galway and if he has been getting fit at the track and needs heavy ground they might just let him get away. My fate will be sealed in the first couple of furlongs i reckon if he is not a fair way ahead of Serpentine.

[botchy1]

Update on the going.

• HEAVY (4.6) at 56ft (Saturday rail).
• VERY SOFT (4.4) at 0ft (Sunday rail.
• Going this weekend should be HEAVY.

[wit]

with you botchy on Sovereign on basis of Urban Sea influence.

lot of her progeny in this year:

– Japan, Mogul, Serpentine, Sovereign (all APOB, all thru Galileo as sire)

– Sottsass (Rouget, thru Galileo as damsire)

– Raabihah (Rouget, thru Sea The Stars as sire)

– Stradivarius (Gosden, thru Sea The Stars as sire)

and current biggest price among them is Sovereign at around 100/1, under Barzalona.

HKJC card for the simulcast is now up – 48 page pdf downloadable here by clicking Download Race Form (All Races) just above silks:

https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/overseas/english/racecard.aspx?para=/20201004/S2/1

[Clints]

As if 2020 couldn’t get any stranger……

https://www.racingpost.com/news/arc-countdown/obrien-arc-runners-among-those-in-doubt-due-to-contaminated-feed/452983

[Mike987654]

With O’brien’s horses might miss the Arc I feel sorry for the ante post backer.

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