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    This is a very interesting race inasmuch that the front two in the market both want further for me. Both Highland reel and Jack Hobbs are twelve furlong horses!! It will be interesting to see what tactics are used here because the pace seems to be with Scottish unless HR decides to try and make all in which case he could be vulnerable to a finisher!
    Ulysses looks like a ten furlong horse but lacks the form to back it up at this standard.
    Mekhtaal will love the ground but once again lacks the form to be considered for this IMO
    Scottish is another twelve furlong horse!
    Johannes Vermeer just isn’t good enough.

    That leaves Queens Trust and Decorated Knight.
    For me Queens Trust lacks tactical speed and may be found wanting when they quicken up and be outpaced which is a shame because I like the horse and backed it at the Breeders Cup last year where they went fast enough to nullify it’s lack of pace.
    That just leaves Decorated Knight who looks like the improver in the race. he has been gradually brought on since spending most of his career over shorter trips. DK also beat Deauville by farther than Ulysses last time out and does possess the necessary toe to win this IMO and at 8/1 looks the bet here.

    Good Luck :good: :good:

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    I’ll be quite happy if all the top three in the betting run well. Backed Johannes Vermeer E/W @ 66’s earlier on this morning. Never shown enough to be placed in a race like this but you but you never know. They must of kept him in training for some reason. :yes:

    #1305326
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    Ulysses
    Highland Reel‘s top class, but his level of ability is well established. Wins average quality Group 1s, does not win the best of the best.

    Yeah, because the Breeders Cup Turf of 2016 was an average edition. ;-)

    there is a weakness against the very top. Multiple Group 1 winner, however fact he hasn’t won a 10f Group 1 must be a negative…

    Technically, that is incorrect. He won a Secretariat Stakes in the US in 2015. Granted, the form of the other horses was and continues to be horrendous

    Jack Hobbs has not won a Group 1 at 10 furlongs either , as you alluded to

    Other than that, you are probably right. Stoute has two decent horses in this race. Could be a good day for the French too.

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    Ulysses
    Highland Reel‘s top class, but his level of ability is well established. Wins average quality Group 1s, does not win the best of the best.

    Yeah, because the Breeders Cup Turf of 2016 was an average edition. ;-)

    there is a weakness against the very top. Multiple Group 1 winner, however fact he hasn’t won a 10f Group 1 must be a negative…

    Technically, that is incorrect. He won a Secretariat Stakes in the US in 2015. Granted, the form of the other horses was and continues to be horrendous

    Jack Hobbs has not won a Group 1 at 10 furlongs either , as you alluded to

    Other than that, you are probably right. Stoute has two decent horses in this race. Could be a good day for the French too.

    Yes, technically you are correct, TO. However…

    To be honest, when it comes to distance/stamina requirements I don’t look back that far. So as far as I am concerned the horse we NOW know as Highland Reel hasn’t won at 10f at Group 1 level. Horses tend to stay/need further the older they get.

    Breeders Cup was an average renewal; “average” is often used in racing as a detrimental description, I mean it as a middle rating amongst Group 1 winners – overall a compliment I’d say. ie 1 3/4 lengths victory over Flintshire (a horse rated 128 in Timeform and who’d put up that rating several times). Found in third was below best; he failed to beat the filly in the Arc when at her best. When the “best of the bests” actually run to form Highland Reel is beaten even at 1m4f. There may or may not be a real top notcher in today’s race, but there are one or two who could conceivably improve in to one.

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    Have to put a tenner on Jack Hobbs now. Half way there to going through the card. :yes:

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    Pathetic effort from Jack Hobbs. He looked devoid of pace today. Surely they must regret the switch from the easier Hardwicke.

    That’s probably raxed the horse for the rest of the season now.

    Highland Reel had the class to see off the ones who either had weak Group 1 form or form at just that bit short of Group 1. I have always felt Ulysses is that bit short of it but he ran his race.

    Jack Hobbs had a clear path mapped out after Meydan and they went against it in the end. I felt he could be competitive today but it was simply a disaster.

    Well done Highland Reel fans, Aidan is the kiddie when it comes to putting a horse in the correct race at the correct time.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Wonder what happened with Jack Hobbs? Strikes me that horse is made of fine china; Highland Reel is made of galvanised steel.

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    Highland Reel proved he’s equally effective at 1m2f.
    Shame Jack Hobbs appeared to hate the ground, awkward head carriage, hope he’s ok.
    Decorated Knight is steadily progressive and ran well.
    Ulysses ran his best race yet, going well two out and hit the front before the stayer/genuine Highland Reel battled back. Ulysses could still be the best of these by the end of 2017.
    Queens Trust perhaps finishing best of all, a stronger pace would’ve helped from her position out the back.
    Scottish ran his usual consistent race, not good enough in this grade.
    Mekhtaal possibly didn’t act on this firm ground.

    Well done to Highland Reel backers.

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    Highland Reel is an exceptional racehorse, and he should be an exceptional sire. Considering he couldn’t get his own way out in front today, and over a trip short of his best, that win was very impressive. Jack Hobbs didn’t act on the ground at all, he didn’t travel particularly well and he failed to quicken considerably.

    The King George looks like it’s his to lose, unless something good from the Irish Derby turns up.

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    Galileos 1,2,3. What a sire. Be fascinated to see what type of mares are sent to Highland reel. Has all the requirements to be a top stallion. Loved this horse since his 12 length maiden win when Joseph rode him out not realising he was so far ahead.

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    He will be aimed for the Arc, and rightly so. I fear that Minding wont be back and HR will be their best chance as I don’t think much about the 3 year old colts at middle distance

    However, this result (and I am thrilled, backed him) will only add hype to the morons in Australia who clearly think any auld sh*te on a shovel is great, and will waffle on about Winx. Would love to see an older Highland Reel take her on again in Oz and silence her (not sure he would but…) There is no chance that Winx is coming to Europe next season with her, he has already made his excuses and even if he comes he will chicken out by going to the Queen Anne

    #1305432
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    Great performance by the winner HR is a real class act and we should be lauding him now not picking apart the race. DK ran well but met one too good and QT ran pretty much how I thought she would and does just lack tactical speed when they quicken up.

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