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I backed Cloth Of Stars for this race when he was 10/1. I didn’t want to start a thread for the race though, because I was not 100% certain he would run in the race.
Originally a Hardwicke Stakes probable, I started to wonder about that race as a target, after Cloth Of Stars was rerouted from the original prep race of the Jockey Club Stakes and instead stayed at home for the Prix Ganay.
With other horses rumoured to have setbacks and the likelihood that Jack Hobbs would not turn up, I decided to go for Cloth Of Stars at 10/1 because I could see him being less than half that on the day.
Today, Andre Fabre confirmed that Cloth Of Stars is going to Royal Ascot and will be running in the Prince Of Wales.
For me, Ulysses looks poor value at the general 3/1. The Derby he contested has been pretty much cobblers really and Cloth Of Stars has an immense record over 10F. I’ll take him all day over Ulysses.
You can still get 8/1 on Betfair for Cloth Of Stars but that will not last once bookmakers and punters wake up to the fact that the horse will be there and other contenders will not be.
I will be surprised if Cloth Of Stars is bigger than 4/1 come the day, and am sure 10/1 will look value. The downside, as always, is getting one to actually win for a change.
Cloth Of Stars (advised on DLAP) 10/1 and still recommended at 8/1.
Just 15 days to the meeting now
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’m with you all the way on Cloth of Stars Steve, 8/1 looks a steal. His form over 10f this season is exceptional, and it got a nice boost yesterday with Silverwave getting the better of Talismanic in a Gr.2 at Chantilly.
After this, all systems go towards the Arc.
Both Highland Reel and Jack Hobbs are shorter than him in the betting, and both of them seem certain to line up in the Hardwicke. Once people cop on to that, his price will collapse.
I’m with you all the way on Cloth of Stars Steve, 8/1 looks a steal. His form over 10f this season is exceptional, and it got a nice boost yesterday with Silverwave getting the better of Talismanic in a Gr.2 at Chantilly.
After this, all systems go towards the Arc.
Mekhtaal also won the Group 1 Prix D’Ispahan to boost the D’Harcourt form. Hawkbill won and then ran well behind Highland Reel in a brutally run Coronation Cup where no prisoners were taken.
Ulysses has only won two Group 3 races for now, whereas Cloth Of Stars is creeping up in class this year and has recorded a Group 1 win. I think it is nonsense that Cloth Of Stars is rated only 2 lbs superior to Ulysses. Even if that is true, it’s insane to have the lesser rated horse 3/1 and the progressive son of Sea The Stars 8/1 when he’s a group 1 winner with form standing up to scrutiny.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Betfair has woken up and Cloth Of Stars is 5/1 from 8/1 there.
Some crew called Bet Stars are still going 15/2 on Cloth Of Stars. I can only assume that they are getting their news reports delivered to head office on horseback. The Pony Express is still going despite the Internet.
News just in at Bet Stars “President Lincoln has been shot”
Anyhow, Cloth Of Stars is generally 6/1 and 5/1 in some places.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Bet Stars have cut Cloth Of Stars to 11/2.
It’s sad that I’ve got to keep them right
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
So Mi Dar to miss the race.
My opinion is that if Jack Hobbs runs, he wins. If he doesn’t then I’m clueless.
Does Ulysses really have the class? Will Highland Reel roll up? Is Mekhtaal’s form good enough? Can Heshem repeat his Meydan run?
And I’m not a Cloth Of Stars fan. The horse only ever wins races he SHOULD win, which usually comes on very soft going round Saint-Cloud. His SP for his wins are 8/13, 11/8, 6/5, 4/6 & EVNS.
I’d rather be with Decorated Knight at the prices but I’m far from convinced he’s a genuine Group 1 animal.
So Mi Dar to miss the race.
My opinion is that if Jack Hobbs runs, he wins. If he doesn’t then I’m clueless.
Does Ulysses really have the class? Will Highland Reel roll up? Is Mekhtaal’s form good enough? Can Heshem repeat his Meydan run?
And I’m not a Cloth Of Stars fan. The horse only ever wins races he SHOULD win, which usually comes on very soft going round Saint-Cloud. His SP for his wins are 8/13, 11/8, 6/5, 4/6 & EVNS.
I’d rather be with Decorated Knight at the prices but I’m far from convinced he’s a genuine Group 1 animal.
Gosden came out after Meydan saying that Jack Hobbs would be targeted at the Hardwicke, although I guess they may change their plans based on potential opposition.
The betting is saying Jack Hobbs will run. If he does and gets beaten, then they only have themselves to blame after stating that a mile and a half was his bag.
Ulysses has been my idea of the lay of the meeting from the outset. His form is nowhere near good enough and he has been priced up as if he is guaranteed to be another Pilsudski or Singspeil.
Cloth Of Stars may not have been winning at big odds but he is a Group 1 winner. Regarding the ground, he has run three times on Good ground and he has won all three of them, most recent of those was against Mekhtaal, who went on to win the group 1 Prix D’Ispahan. Andre Fabre said he has taken the horse to Royal Ascot because this is a “Winnable” renewal of the Prince Of Wales.
I think Cloth Of Stars looks cast iron each-way at 6/1. If some drop out of this, I could see him usurping Ulysses as the favourite.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
nd I’m not a Cloth Of Stars fan. The horse only ever wins races he SHOULD win, which usually comes on very soft going round Saint-Cloud. His SP for his wins are 8/13, 11/8, 6/5, 4/6 & EVNS.
I see where you’re coming from Charles but personally that doesn’t bother me. Using that logic you could say the same about Minding (1/3, 7/4, 1/5, 1/5, 10/11, 11/10), but if she turned up here she would destroy them. Now I know Cloth of Stars is no Minding, but he went off at those prices on his own merits, not because the opposition was non existent, look at Mekhtaal who has since come out and won the D’Ispahan, also the likes of Zarak, Silverwave and of course Hawkbill. I know at least for some of those races he actually opened up at around 9/4, 2/1 and was backed in accordingly. Like Signs of Blessing over on the King’s Stand thread, I don’t think he needs it soft. He recently beat Mekhtaal on Good ground, its not his fault it mostly comes up soft in France.
nd I’m not a Cloth Of Stars fan. The horse only ever wins races he SHOULD win, which usually comes on very soft going round Saint-Cloud. His SP for his wins are 8/13, 11/8, 6/5, 4/6 & EVNS.
I see where you’re coming from Charles but personally that doesn’t bother me. Using that logic you could say the same about Minding (1/3, 7/4, 1/5, 1/5, 10/11, 11/10), but if she turned up here she would destroy them.
Exactly, if Minding could have run it’d be a race she ‘should’ win which is what she does for when she turned up in the Irish Champion (a race she could but not should win) she wasn’t favourite and came 3rd. Unlike Minding this race for Cloth Of Stars is a race he could but not should win and like Minding in last year’s Irish Champion I can see the French horse getting placed; I think he’ll find one or two just too quick – as for whom they are yet I need more time to deduce. Ulysses and Decorated Knight do seem horses on the up.
I’m not saying he can’t win, obviously he has a very good chance and who knows I may even end up having a saver on.
I know another forumite, Clints, is very keen on Cloth Of Stars.
Personally speaking as of yet I have no great opinion on the race, I would have fancied Minding if that had run, and Jack Hobbs I’m not convinced about, if only because I don’t like backing horses with headwear on
I think Highland Reel goes for this, no messing around with G2’s anymore for him this year
. If he does Jack Hobbs to the Hardwicke.“The betting”? Who is this?
They don’t know anything where Gosden will run Jack Hobbs, and I still hope he will decide right..nd I’m not a Cloth Of Stars fan. The horse only ever wins races he SHOULD win, which usually comes on very soft going round Saint-Cloud. His SP for his wins are 8/13, 11/8, 6/5, 4/6 & EVNS.
I see where you’re coming from Charles but personally that doesn’t bother me. Using that logic you could say the same about Minding (1/3, 7/4, 1/5, 1/5, 10/11, 11/10), but if she turned up here she would destroy them. Now I know Cloth of Stars is no Minding, but he went off at those prices on his own merits, not because the opposition was non existent, look at Mekhtaal who has since come out and won the D’Ispahan, also the likes of Zarak, Silverwave and of course Hawkbill. I know at least for some of those races he actually opened up at around 9/4, 2/1 and was backed in accordingly. Like Signs of Blessing over on the King’s Stand thread, I don’t think he needs it soft. He recently beat Mekhtaal on Good ground, its not his fault it mostly comes up soft in France.
As I said above, Cloth Of Stars is 3/3 on Good ground
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
. If he does Jack Hobbs to the Hardwicke.
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