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Hi Kauto…
Don’t worry about ‘ruffling feathers’. A lot of people’s feathers seem permenantly ruffled here. It’s all the money they lose that does it.
I don’t think Jamie Spencer gives two hoots about how many people back his mounts. Like the majority of sportspeople he competes for himself. His main difference to other sports I guess is that he relies on something else ( the horse ) to achieve his ambitions so he has in part a responsibilty to the trainer and owners to do his best for them. For punters though I very much doubt it. Any sportsman at the top of their profession has usually got there for selfish reasons. I don’t suppose Roger Federer gives a minutes thought to how much money is riding on his back. As for the QEII , I’m not sure Excellent Art would have beaten Ramonti with a clearer run. Dettori has asked his mount for maximum effort after coming round the home turn and has won the race there by going a couple of lengths clear. If Dettori had waited another furlong before asking for the efoort I think the result would probably have been the same IMHO.
Ok sorry.
I have obviously ruffled a few feathers.
That wasn’t my intention.
I am new to the forum, a forum which seemed user friendly and where good debates take place.
Didnt realise it had been done before.
Ignore it, Kauto_star. Revisiting old topics is not forbidden on here, nor should it be – the likes of favourite / least favourite commentators, best horse ever, what got you into racing, etc. are all subject matters that recur at least a couple of times a year, with something different being added to the mix by contributors every time. Carry on!
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I don’t think Jamie Spencer gives two hoots about how many people back his mounts. Like the majority of sportspeople he competes for himself. His main difference to other sports I guess is that he relies on something else ( the horse ) to achieve his ambitions so he has in part a responsibilty to the trainer and owners to do his best for them. For punters though I very much doubt it. Any sportsman at the top of their profession has usually got there for selfish reasons. I don’t suppose Roger Federer gives a minutes thought to how much money is riding on his back. As for the QEII , I’m not sure Excellent Art would have beaten Ramonti with a clearer run. Dettori has asked his mount for maximum effort after coming round the home turn and has won the race there by going a couple of lengths clear. If Dettori had waited another furlong before asking for the efoort I think the result would probably have been the same IMHO.
To put it simply, comparing Tennis to racing is like comparing Mother Theresa to Pol Pot, racing is and always was a betting run sport, without the betting side of it racing would be an afterthought a hobby for landed gentry to have private wagers.
Spencer & Co would do well to remember that us punters and racegoers pay his wages as they do his employers.Yes I’ve had my say on this topic before, but for what it’s worth I am not Jamie Spencer’s biggest fan.
I wont go into detail, but to put it in a nutshell, I just think Spencer over does the waiting tactics far too often, so much so that I now have no confidence in backing a horse if he is on board.
If I analyse a race, and come up with a selection, only for Spencer to be on board, then I will pass the race over – there’s always another race where I can punt on a horse that is ridden by a jockey that I trust.
Ok it may be a bit strong saying that I don’t trust him, but put it like this. If I back a horse that he rides then he is carrying my money and I want my money to have the best possible chance of turning over a profit. I don’t get that feeling with Spencer. When I invest my money in a bank, I wouldn’t pick a bank if the bank manager kept turning up late for appointments. I would go to a bank that I trust, a bank that gives me the best possible chance of making a profit.
Mike
Sorry, Kauto. As someone pointed out ‘Frank’ is the name the Kick Spencer boys always give him on the Eejits’ Forum.
Misunderstanding. Welcome.To all who criticise Spencer I would tell them that the fact he gets horses settled and switched off during races means that they often have plenty left in the tank at the business end; the flip side of the coin is that they often have to negotiate a tricky passage through beaten horses when they are still full of running.
In a nutshell, for every "bad" looking ride when Spencer comes fast and too late, he will win a race on a horse that wouldn’t have won had it been ridden closer to the pace.
HOWEVER – I still think that Saturday’s ride was poor – no horse alive could make up 6 lengths on Ramonti in the home straight at Ascot. I felt it was not his fault at Goodwood where Ex. Art appeared to take a long time to find his stride, but on Saturday I thought he should have taken closer order BEFORE the home turn.Sorry, Kauto. As someone pointed out ‘Frank’ is the name the Kick Spencer boys always give him on the Eejits’ Forum.
Misunderstanding. Welcome.There must be something about that eejits forum Zorro, as your forever reading it.
Am I missing something here but is there a reason why Spencer has to ride Excellent Art ? Since when has he been Ballydoyle’s first choice in England ?..he hasn’t ridden anything other horse for O’Brien in England all year.
In fact, Spencer has only ridden one Group 1 winner this season; Red Evie in the Lockinge. And he only just got that mare home.
After the Antonius Pius escapade last season, I am amazed that Spencer is still being used at all by Coolmore.
I am not anti-Spencer but to me he’s a gaffe-track jockey. I think there are mental weaknesses; temprament issues, that impact his decision making. The lack of success at the top level and the number of suspensions incurred would back that up.
Surely Mike Kinane is a perfect pilot for Excellent Art. An experienced jockey capable of making decisive decisions in big races.
Am I missing something here but is there a reason why Spencer has to ride Excellent Art ? Since when has he been Ballydoyle’s first choice in England
Is he though? ? ?
They dropped him fairly sharply from their fancies as they obviously had a disagreement about his style of riding.
Good Evening Kauto Star,
I, like you, am a newcomer to this forum. I do not see the problem in starting a similar thread to ones that have gone before. Surely, the user community is constantly changing and even a repeated topic will interest new users. If you’ve seen the thread before, surely you just ignore it.
Anyway, I like many, think the boy Spencer’s modus operandum is to hold horses up in the main. Therefore, surely, if you’ve studied the beasts style of running, and that style doesn’t suit, well don’t back it. However, if it is a hold-up merchant, then you have the man on top for the job. My point is, use his style to your advantage. Personally, i think he is an extemely talented young man, but could be much better with a variation in his tactics.
Kind regards.
Dave
nd that style dAnyone who backed Rhinestone Cowboy in the Cheltenham Bumper should have been allowed to whack Spencer on the ar*se with a ukelele, and then had a shot at his missus for good measure.
Don’t look at me…….I backed Thisthatandtother.
i’ll pass on the ukelele bit – no other reason for this post other than to see if the avatar works
Thanks a lot for the replies and views on this subject.
Again, my apologies if it has been done before, but i am new here and didnt know.
Thanks again and it seems like an excellent forum here.
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