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Madman Marz wrote
"To put it simply, comparing Tennis to racing is like comparing Mother Theresa to Pol Pot, racing is and always was a betting run sport, without the betting side of it racing would be an afterthought a hobby for landed gentry to have private wagers.
Spencer & Co would do well to remember that us punters and racegoers pay his wages as they do his employers"Why would he do well to remember ? He’s providing a service that is obviously required which people are willing to pay him for. where that comes from is neither here or there. Should an R&D chemist do well to remember that its those unfortunate ill people that pay his wages by buying the product he’s developed. I think like the majority of people all he’s interested in is what the benefits are for him.
As for Mother Theresa and Pol Pot, currently I can see no difference between them at all as neither of them will be troubling the judge any time soon.
As a fairly recent convert to racing, I’m not up on the technicalities of the sport. I just say what I see and I find Jamie Spencer very exciting to watch
.His style of holding horses up doesn’t always pay off but when it does, it can be almost breathtaking. He’s good for the sport and long may he continue.
Not as a rule birdy. Maybe that’s why I can view him that way
. It must be frustrating to watch your hard earned cash going down the drain if his method doesn’t pay off 
.I just enjoy watching racing and I know if Jamie’s there, I’ll be glued
.Thanks, reet.
I suppose if you can view the racing with that sort of objectivity it could be seen as a white-knuckle ride to be "enjoyed"!
Colin
Welcome Kauto and ignore the sillier reponses here.
Loved the one that moaned about Ryan Moore being mentioned in same breath as Spencer….
Maybe he shouldnt be…
well,
my brothers a big Spencer fan but personally half the time i think he rides indeed more like Frank Spencer , the mans an absolute joker – dont get me wrong it looks fantastic wehn he pulls of a cheeky waiting ride but i wont ever be lumping on a Frank fancy untill he stops these shaninegans!!
Excellent Art – what was he doing , he got beat by the same horse in the same way about a month ago , so what does he do?? exactly the same bloomin thing!!the guys got Talent tho!! but not as much as future legend (providing he stays fit and well) Ryan Moore.
Tell me what do you lot think of P.Robinson?? am i the only person that thinks hes a soooperb jock?? just a shame he’s coming towards the end of his career but i think hes got a son (Daniel i believe) riding out who i’ll be watching out for.Madman Marz wrote
"To put it simply, comparing Tennis to racing is like comparing Mother Theresa to Pol Pot, racing is and always was a betting run sport, without the betting side of it racing would be an afterthought a hobby for landed gentry to have private wagers.
Spencer & Co would do well to remember that us punters and racegoers pay his wages as they do his employers"Why would he do well to remember ? He’s providing a service that is obviously required which people are willing to pay him for. where that comes from is neither here or there. Should an R&D chemist do well to remember that its those unfortunate ill people that pay his wages by buying the product he’s developed. I think like the majority of people all he’s interested in is what the benefits are for him.
As for Mother Theresa and Pol Pot, currently I can see no difference between them at all as neither of them will be troubling the judge any time soon.
A hypothetical situation,
Betting is outlawed by the goverment, Racecourses close down as the paying customer and punter who fuel the courses stay away, so they are no racecourses for owners and trainers to run their horses, so there will be no more trainers & owners, so without trainers & owners, all jockeys are unemployable. It sounds simplistic, but because racing is a multi million industry, the people who have and are making their fortune through horse racing so conveniently forget that the racegoer & punter has paid their wages since racing became a public sport, so as long as the punter remains he will continue to pay their wages.
But these owners, trainers, jockeys still treat us as an inconvenience to be barely tolerated, what short memories they all have.Loved the one that moaned about Ryan Moore being mentioned in same breath as Spencer….
Maybe he shouldnt be…
Exactly my point clivex, glad you agree
But these owners, trainers, jockeys still treat us as an inconvenience to be barely tolerated, what short memories they all have.
Agree. There is still a "none of your business" attitude in some quarters. look at Julian Wilsons dismal comments a few months ago
They act as if they have the betting market to themselves still… idiots…
John Gosden made some good comments on this in the RP last week. at least some trainers are aware
Am I missing something here but is there a reason why Spencer has to ride Excellent Art ?
PPG
My first post here but I’m an ‘ornery git so I’ll start as I mean to continue. Spencer has ridden Excellent Art since French 2000 when Ballydoyle had 4 runners and other fancied horses in Ireland on the same day. They were stretched a bit thin for riders so JPS got the mount and did OK and with a bit more luck would have won the race. Next at Ascot he kept the ride and won. As AO’B has run the horse only in UK since, Fallon not in the picture and JPS stayed on but patently outridden by the Sardine on Raimonti. Don’t think Spencer would get the ride in USA but am not sure.Since when has he been Ballydoyle’s first choice in England ?..he hasn’t ridden anything other horse for O’Brien in England all year.
PPG
He hasn’t. See above.After the Antonius Pius escapade last season, I am amazed that Spencer is still being used at all by Coolmore.
PPG
Spencer last rode AP in 2004. The horse ran twice in 2005 under Fallon and was last of 8 and 15 horses. That horse would make most any jockey look bad!I am not anti-Spencer but to me he’s a gaffe-track jockey. I think there are mental weaknesses; temprament issues, that impact his decision making. The lack of success at the top level and the number of suspensions incurred would back that up.
PPG
He has some weaknesses which will always bring him flack but also wins some races nobody else would. You pays your money…If he’s that bad, then lay his short-priced mounts on BF.Surely Mike Kinane is a perfect pilot for Excellent Art. An experienced jockey capable of making decisive decisions in big races.
PPG
If EA was mine and he goes to BC Mile next, I would use a local pilot.he’s surely one of the best jockeys riding today in this country, certainly in the top handful ?
everyone makes mistakes but i’d rather have one of the best jockeys on a horse i backed, who makes the odd mistake, rather than a consistent journeyman …
just wondered; if you owned or trained a horse and you could have any jockey in the world to ride it who would you choose? I think on the flat I’d still want Kieren Fallon and over jumps probably Graham Lee….
On the flat, I would have Ryan Moore.
Over the jumps I would go for McCoy.
Unoriginal, sorry
Mike
just wondered; if you owned or trained a horse and you could have any jockey in the world to ride it who would you choose? I think on the flat I’d still want Kieren Fallon and over jumps probably Graham Lee….
Sticking to W Europe (I don’t know enough about US, Down Under etc.) I would want Dettori and either Timmy Murphy or Paul Carberry.
Who am I to judge the man? However, I was somewhat taken aback by his ATR interview on Monday at Windsor when, having appeared to have a triple handful behind the leaders, albeit poorly positioned and boxed-in, yet finished out of the money which resulted in a flood of emails to ATR. His excuse was something to the effect that he could have tried to get a place but he didn’t see the point in risking a suspension. The fact is that he didn’t even try. He explained that the Stewards had accepted his explanation but franked that by stating that "at least they’ve got brains." The implication of this latter remark and the manner in which he said it seemed to me to infer that we punters, some of whom may have lost money (not myself I might add) by his poor judgement and lack of determination, are without brains for criticising his ride which I think is pretty insulting from a bloke whose livelihood depends on our support and hard-earned cash.
I can’t say I know much about the guy but I thought he had a touch of arrogance about him which wasn’t particularly appealing. On the other hand, if you know differently then I stand to be corrected.
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