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There’s more "demonisation" of the upper / so called "ruling" or buisness classes than "working class". But because they’re a small minority and "well off", they’ve got to keep quiet.
Is there? The banking crisis may have led to perfectly acceptable criticism of the people who have brought about a global economic meltdown, and yes, maybe those individuals have been "demonised" in certain quarters of the media. However, they still hold onto to power and are not, to my eyes anyway, being particularly disadvantaged economically nor politically. Moreover they still have very influential supporters in the media.
There’s more "demonisation" of the upper / so called "ruling" or buisness classes than "working class". But because they’re a small minority and "well off", they’ve got to keep quiet.
Is there? The banking crisis may have led to perfectly acceptable criticism of the people who have brought about a global economic meltdown, and yes, maybe those individuals have been "demonised" in certain quarters of the media. However, they still hold onto to power and are not, to my eyes anyway, being particularly disadvantaged economically nor politically. Moreover they still have very influential supporters in the media.
Never mentioned bankers Ivanjica.
But…Some
criticism of bankers is justified.
Some
criticism of buisness bosses is justified.
Just assome
criticism of the "Working class" (like chavs) is justified.
In the eighties we laughed at the "yuppie", now it’s the "chav". Simples.
Some bankers and buisness bosses are millions of pounds less well off now than they were. You and I might still prefer to be in their position Ivanjica, but they have been "disadvantaged economically". There is every political persuasion represented in Parliament, bar the extremes we don’t want to see. More "persuasions" in Government than there’s ever been (coalition). Every persuasion in media "supporters" too. Express, Sun, Mirror, Morning Star (is that still going). I prefer to get my unbiased (as far as possible) news from the BBC.
McCluskey wants to make political use of the Olympics. What a horrible man he is.
Value Is Everything"Gingertipster"
Never mentioned bankers Ivanjica.
But…criticism of bankers is justified.
Some
criticism of buisness bosses is justified.
Just assome
criticism of the "Working class" (like chavs) is justified.
In the eighties we laughed at the "yuppie", now it’s the "chav". Simples.
Some bankers and buisness bosses are millions of pounds less well off now than they were. You and I might still prefer to be in their position Ivanjica, but they have been "disadvantaged economically". There is every political persuasion represented in Parliament, bar the extremes we don’t want to see. More "persuasions" in Government than there’s ever been (coalition). Every persuasion in media "supporters" too. Express, Sun, Mirror, Morning Star (is that still going). I prefer to get my unbiased (as far as possible) news from the BBC.
McCluskey wants to make political use of the Olympics. What a horrible man he is.
I don’t regard myself as a communist (or "red" as your earlier post described). People can hold views without being politically motivated you know. I do believe the trade unions are an important service for people who cannot afford expensive legal representation when their employer tries to take the p**s. I am a trade union member and have been for many years. In my working life they have helped me on two occasions, and I have witnessed any number of colleagues benefit from their guidance and support.
You can stretch the definition of "disadvantaged" to fit your argument but if you seriously believe that Banking Executives are materially economically disadvantaged compared to unemployed people living in council estates with little prospect of economic progression in the foreseeable future then perhaps you might enlighten us to how you have reached that conclusion.
Also, the sections of society whom you are holding up as ones which have been "demonised" which in your opionion makes everybody fair game, clearly possessed economic power, and in many cases political power. The people I am seeking to defend have neither.
The problem I have always had with targeting sections of society in the way Paddy Power deem fit is that although it can often begin as a joke, and may well remain that way, there are plenty of examples where the "joke" takes on a sinister edge, often orchestrated according to a political agenda, and very quicky it becomes perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the so called silent majority for the subjects of the "joke" to become persecuted.
So if you are conditioned to believe all people of a certain social strata (popularly known as the underclass) are lazy, uneducated, only interested in getting drunk or taking drugs, and generally making a nuisance of themselves (as depicted on the Jeremy Kyle show), then if government policy dictates in the future that all of those people are to be no longer paid unemployment benefit then you will go along with it, I mean why should we subsidise the "scum".
Then lets say government policy dictates that all of the estates where these people live are to become "walled ghettos" -akin to say Gaza city. You still go along with it. I mean, after all they are "scum".
Then the government decides keeping these emaciated scum barely alve is a pointless drain on resources so lets take them to these special camps we have built in the countryside………
We are in extremely turbulent times and history shows that often such times breed extreme behaviour in supposedly civilised societies.
I am reminded of Martin Niemoller’s haunting words:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meIf there is one section of society though whom I cannot abide its people who cannot grasp basic mental arithmetic. Now they should be taken out and shot
OMG!
For criticising one small part of the working class. Not all working class, but a small part…
And…
For criticising one Union leader and only one Union leader, for wanting to make use of the Olympics for political and selfish gain…
I am now a fascist???
Never said you were a "red" or "communist".
If you look the part you’ll get the job
In last year’s trousers and your old school shoes
The truth is son, it’s a buyer’s market
They can afford to pick and chooseJust because you’re better than me
Doesn’t mean I’m lazy
Just because I dress like this
Doesn’t mean I’m a communistThe factories are closing and the army’s full –
I don’t know what I’m going to do
But I’ve come to see in the land of the free
There’s only a future for the chosen fewBilly Bragg
Am a fan of all sorts of punk poetry.
I didn’t equate hardships encountered by unemployed and/or poor with anyone far more well off. And what is more Ivanjica, you know I didn’t. This is just what you get every time anyone dares to criticise any part of the so called "working class" society. The stereotypical "chav" has enough money to buy designer clothes and cheap jewellry anyway. Look at the people in this advert Ivanjica, clothes they wear cost quite a bit of money. They aren’t exactly "poor".
I’m just saying everyone should be judged on their own merits. For me, the stereotypical "chavs" are a part of society I don’t like. That is not to say they aren’t nice people when they’re not (as it were) being "chavs". If anyone were categorising me, suppose they’d have to put me in the "working class" bracket. I personally don’t take any notice of a person’s class. I’d think the same of any upper classes behaving in the same way as stereotypical "chavs".
Value Is EverythingWould you find it funny if they showed a punter leaving the betting shop having lost X amount and getting hit by a lorry with the punchline "At least he doesn’t have to tell the wife how much he lost!"?
Sorry, but yes.
Thank-You for putting a smile on my face, Eclipse First. I had just taken a mouthful of Shredded Wheat when I read that – unfortunately it has now plastered my laptop!
This could end in tragedy. I’m off to the gym shortly and if that thought passes through my mind when I’m pushing out a final rep or two on decline bench press, I’m f*****!
Each to their own, mate. Freedom is a wonderful thing.
No need to be sorry but it was just (imo) the difference between something well-written and something poorly constructed. The PP advertisement department have tried to make something funny but the end product fails because the writers lack the requisite skill.
The timing is wrong.
It’s a dig at popular culture, nothing too profound, why are people looking too much into it? Shows like The Only Way is Essex, Geordie Shore etc, dig at youth culture.
People need to chill out.
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