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  • #248538
    clivexx
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    Complete rubbish…

    If there was ever a president who was in hock to dubious outside forces, then it was JFK, regardless of his other qualities

    #248539
    dave jay
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    If Obama gets health insurance for all of the people who live in the US and makes the Health Service providers compete properly instead of racketeering then that will be probably the biggest and best thing done by any US President ever won’t it?

    .. or can you be so poor in the US that your not even human?

    #248547
    Onthesteal
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    At this moment he can only be applauded for the idea, but the future will tell.

    #248623
    clivexx
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    There is so much to admire about the USA but the health care system would be along way down the list. It would be some achievement

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    Avatar photoCraig Braddick
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    If Obama gets health insurance for all of the people who live in the US and makes the Health Service providers compete properly instead of racketeering then that will be probably the biggest and best thing done by any US President ever won’t it?

    .. or can you be so poor in the US that your not even human?

    This ultimately is about Government control over the lives of the people.

    The poor are covered, its called "Medicaid" Those that fall through the gap the most are those who lose their jobs and have no health insurance but have had too much income to qualify for Medicaid.

    Answer: Extend Medicaid benefits to those people.

    Doctors do sometimes advise procedures that are not really needed:

    Answer: Offer a free second opinion service.

    All of these things would cost considerably less than what Obama is proposing. But ultimately his ego and the ego of the Dems will either make it happen and complete the turn around from capitalism to socialism or people will rebel, and one has the feeling at ground level that the rebellion may be coming and may not be pretty.

    Obama and the Dems forget that they serve us, not the other way around.

    The health system here works because health companies do compete. If drug companies are to develop more drugs, there has to be a capitalistic market to fund it. What great breakthroughs have been made by British drug companies in the UK in the last sixty years compared to US drug companies?

    Craig

    #248684
    clivexx
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    On the last point, I have alittle working knowledge of the biotech and pharm industries and i think that the answer to that is is plenty….

    British companies are well to the fore of breakthroughs in medicine…as are the Swiss

    The pharma industries market is global and largely unaffected by the local health service mechanisms

    Rest of the post is interesting and must aquiant myself more with some of the finer points.

    #248704
    Avatar photoCraig Braddick
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    On the last point, I have alittle working knowledge of the biotech and pharm industries and i think that the answer to that is is plenty….

    British companies are well to the fore of breakthroughs in medicine…as are the Swiss

    The pharma industries market is global and largely unaffected by the local health service mechanisms

    Rest of the post is interesting and must aquiant myself more with some of the finer points.

    Hi clivexx!

    I admit I was perhaps being a tad too American centric regarding that drug companies!

    Regards

    Craig

    #248877
    dave jay
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    If Obama gets health insurance for all of the people who live in the US and makes the Health Service providers compete properly instead of racketeering then that will be probably the biggest and best thing done by any US President ever won’t it?

    .. or can you be so poor in the US that your not even human?

    This ultimately is about Government control over the lives of the people.

    The health system here works because health companies do compete. If drug companies are to develop more drugs, there has to be a capitalistic market to fund it. Craig

    .. this is ultimately about control over people’s lives .. your having a laugh, 20% of US citizens don’t have health cover and all you can come up with in defense of that is some sort of statement that doesn’t actually mean anything.

    If you think that the health company racket works in the US why does your country spend twice as much as we do on health care and yet only 80% of the population benefit from that expenditure, where as everyone is entitled to free health care here?

    US drug companies have done their fair share of advances but for the amount of capital that they have ripped out of your system you would have thought that they would have done a lot more.

    Anyway, I stand by my first statement, you posed the question, if you just want everyone to agree with you then you maybe shouldn’t have asked for everyone’s opinion in the first place?

    #249117
    clivexx
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    Just to be a bit of a pedan….drug companies may be registered and headquartered in this country or that (switzerland, Uk and USa biggest players perhaps) but they are truely interenational and not in slightest bit dependent on one market or another

    #249124
    moehat
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    Wasn’t Jimmy Carter a decent president and was/is a thoroughly decent guy? He’s very much in favour of Obama. Can we just give him a little bit more time before the knives come out, please…..

    #249182
    Avatar photoCraig Braddick
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    Wasn’t Jimmy Carter a decent president and was/is a thoroughly decent guy? He’s very much in favour of Obama. Can we just give him a little bit more time before the knives come out, please…..

    Carter a decent President!!!!!

    In a word (well three): No he wasn’t.

    How much more time do you suggest we give the Anointed One to spend us into oblivion and then wave his magic hat to make everything great?

    Craig.

    #249188
    dave jay
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    Money isn’t everything Craig .. the US (as well as the rest of the developed world) has been living on non-existant borrowed money for as long as I can remember. This system benefits no-one except itself and the big companies that sponsor it. The system moves tax money into the private sector and bankrupts the State and then the State has to borrow money to pay for running itself.

    We have it over here with the EU directives .. in the UK we were forced to sell the railways to the private sector, we will eventually re-nationalise the railways, imo. This whole scam has cost ‘us’ the tax payer billions and I don’t hear anybody in politics asking how we are going to recover it.

    At least Obama is trying to do something that will have a positive effect on the lives of ordinary people instead of trying to concentrate all of the wealth and power into the hands of a few friends and vested interests.

    #249526
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    .. now he’s cancelled the missile shield that Bush was getting his pals to build in Poland .. that’s a bit of a cost saving?

    Iran can’t fire a nuke and if they did it would only be Isreal they would be interested in, or maybe Iraq. No point building a defence system in Poland is there?

    #249544
    Avatar photoCraig Braddick
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    Yep, but a long way to go and I still think Iran is a danger and I have never understood the USA meddling in Israel, other than to appease the religious nutters.

    Craig

    #249672
    moehat
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    Must be a terrible shock having a president like Obama when you’ve had George Bush for 8 years.

    #249686
    Avatar photoCraig Braddick
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    Must be a terrible shock having a president like Obama when you’ve had George Bush for 8 years.

    Yes, it is. But for different reasons than what you are thinking.

    Craig

    #249703
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    Yes, scary isn’t it? A president with a brain, the very thought.

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