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    Ugly Mare
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    I’ve been showing an interest, unusually, in these proceedings and am pleased to see Obama win the Iowa Caucus. I’ve taken a little liking to him and would like to see him get the nomination although I still think Mrs Clinton might win the day but I’ve had enough of the Clinton’s to be honest. I could do without Oprah Winfrey getting in on the act too, I don’t think he needs her really and wish the BBC would stop bringing the race issue up whenever his name is mentioned.

    Gift of the gabber Huckabee, who reminds me of Kevin Spacey to look at, would be a real loose cannon, so I hope Giuliani who I prefer will get his act together pronto and take the initiative.

    So I’m hoping for an Obama/Giuliani finish here.

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    MikkyMo73
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    Who are they? When do they play each other?

    I presume it’s 4-balls golf is it? :lol:

    Mike

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    % MAN
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    On the basis the Americans have elected an imbecilic idiot, totally incapable of doing the job, in the last two elections, the form choice must be Mrs Clinton to maintain the trend.

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    moehat
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    fascinating stuff isn’t it; was told about Obama by a couple of Americans that we met in Ireland a couple of years ago- he was Republican, she was Democrat. Just think he seems very young for the job…

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    % MAN
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    I don’t think the perceived "inexperience" will be too big an issue – Obama is likely to be elected on wave of popilar support, from people wanting chnage, similar to when Kennedy was elected – I just hope he doesn’t meet the same fate.

    After two terms of Bush I think the Democrats should be a virtual shoe-in. The problem with Clinton is she alienates as many as she attracts. It must also be remembered she was the "brains" behind the abortive attempt to reform the Medicare system when Bill was in charge.

    I must admit a fiscal interest here – I had a moderate investment in Obama at a tasty price 18 months ago after reading an article ablot him in an American news magazine.

    #133587
    Ugly Mare
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    …good for you!.. :D

    now we have New Hampshire to look forward to…I’m reading that Obama has overtaken Clinton in the polls already. I hope she can make a race of it and come back strong despite my earlier comments, as I don’t want it to become a one horse race just yet. She does appear statesmanlike I’ll say that for her.

    As they seem to have given us so much of their culture [we are blessed :x ], and their wars, I think we should all have the vote too. The UK Primaries….deffo :)

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    moehat
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    they seem to have a big enough problem counting their own votes don’t they without us joining in! great idea though…

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    Kevin
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    We have our own problems vote counting after the last electronic counting farce in Scotland.

    I have also been taking an interest in this "show". Obama has a "bounce" from Iowa which has got Clinton worried and may get another on in Hampshire which will make him odds on to win in Super Tuesday.

    It all just seems a little shallow to me. All glitzy show biz, sound bites and no substance. A bit like what the press are trying to do with the main party leaders over here. God help us……

    Wonder what will happen here when Lizzie pops her clogs? Cannot see much of an acceptance for any of her spouses taking over as head of state. Do you think we will be heading for a Presidency or are we nearly there already i.e. President Blair & Brown?

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    Obama has a "bounce" from Iowa

    I heard that and thought "is he being brought back too soon after a hard race?"

    And then realised they didn’t mean it in the racing sense…

    I can’t see him becoming president. His name sounds like "Osama" and his middle name is "Hussein"… surely middle America isn’t going to go for that?

    Even with a western name/background, I doubt a black person could get elected to the white house for the time being. As a betting man, I’d put my money on a white man every time.

    Steve

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    Ugly Mare
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    With the Iowa result, hasn’t middle America already gone for it Steve?

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    stevedvg
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    With the Iowa result, hasn’t middle America already gone for it Steve?

    I wouldn’t say so.

    If I understand it correctly, this result is a reflection of the preferences of those Iowans registered with the Democratic party.

    So, we’re talking about a group of voters that are likely to be a lot less racist and a lot more liberal than most US whites.

    Also, Obama only got 38% of the vote. Once some of the candidates drop out, where will their supporters go?

    They may back Obama and send him to the election. But, if he’s up against a credible white male candidate, his skin colour is going to cost him millions of votes.

    Just my 2p.

    Steve

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    Ugly Mare
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    oh I see,… :)

    so at this stage then who do you think will be the final 2? and are you saying that Giuliani will win ultimately, or Mrs Clinton? Surely not Huckabee, McCain or Romney.

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    Gift of the gabber Huckabee, who reminds me of Kevin Spacey to look at, would be a real loose cannon, so I hope Giuliani who I prefer will get his act together pronto and take the initiative.

    It is noted that Giuliani made no attempt at all to get the Iowan vote.

    A sensible attempt at preserving resources for subsequent contests in states where he stands more chance; or a PR own-goal which could almost imply, "I don’t give a toss about Iowa now, nor especially will I when / if I get into the White House"?

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #133730
    Ugly Mare
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    Mixed feelings about it, I admire on one hand and on the other I think he should have got stuck in. He’s giving New Hampshire a miss too I believe, allowing John McCain to have his moment of glory.

    I don’t mind Rudy. If I was a voter he might have got mine if Obama starts to look wobbly, certainly over any other Republican as he seems to combine elements of liberalism and conservatism that appeal to me.

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    Didn’t he have a bit of a marriage scandal a while ago – thought that didn’t go down very well in America…

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