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CAS i believe you got 17/2 it was just a bit of banter. Calm down you don’t need to show me the bet lol
“Forum users are entitled to reach their own conclusion by your refusal to even name the bookmaker who allegedly laid you 16/1.”
I agree, i can’t control what people think even if they are coming to the wrong conclusion.
And i have already answered why i won’t name the bookmaker.“Banter” which you have hastily backtracked on when presented with the facts.
Why are you persisting with claiming you got this price? Only Nathan has said anything in support of you – and that was qualified support.
Everyone else, including people with far more experience in the racing and betting game than myself, has openly laughed at the idea you got 16/1 against an O’Brien filly which had just bolted up in a Group 1.
I think we are going to go round in circles here and will be wasting our time. I obviously hope Opera Singer wins next June but sorry Mike, I simply don’t believe you got that price.
I’ve never got a price mid race.
and its 1 in 100 that I don’t get rebuffed after a race as the prices change, oddschecker can be behind
the time stamp on oddschecker history and that’s oddschecker prices not bookmaker ones.
I quite believe Mike has obtained a bigger price at some stage via a bookie not rebuffing as I can post a screenshot of Desert Hero 16’s after the Gordon stakes with betway where everything else was 8’s but like I’ve said 99 times out of the 100 you click on a price and its changed. So its possible Mike did get the price but to get it near enough every time is strange.Perhaps Mike is Tom Segal as he gets given inflated odds imo
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“So its possible Mike did get the price but to get it near enough every time is strange.”
I don’t get it near enough every time. Every now and again it might be shall we say, be a nice enough price, but it’s not accurate to say it is near enough every time. As I said to CAS, I got 7s for the 1000 Guineas I could’ve said something bigger if I wanted to lie.
I am on at 10s Vino Victrix and 8s Pied Piper for the Cesarewich. What was stopping me saying I was already on at, say, 33-1 for one and 20-1 for another for example if I wanted to lie?
If the market changes after I have placed my bet and those odds are not on offer anymore there is nothing I can do about it, that’s life. But to then say I didn’t get the price I post is nonsense.
(The last 2 paragraphs not aimed at you just a general response).
“Why are you persisting with claiming you got this price?”
I am only persisting because people like yourself brought it up and I chose to respond. If its not brought up then the conversation about the price would not exist.
Every time you post up a price on here I mean Mike.
Seems a bit too much to me but I’m not bothered either way as it doesn’t affect
I just joined in the discussion to post past experiences as my betting is often done straight after a raceAs its the Oaks thread, have I ever mentioned I had Snowfall at 50’s the year she won it…
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“Every time you post up a price on here I mean Mike.
Seems a bit too much to me…”I still don’t quite understand what you mean, are you saying its ok for other forum member to post their picks and odds but not me? Or are you saying you would prefer if noone does it?
I’m saying nothing of the sort
I’m saying the regularity in which you post up the prices which are not available in the real world are in extremely high proportions to the odd bookie slip up
Example
I have oddschecker open.. race ends it may say Horse A is 16/1 but when you click on that price it will say 8/1 with the bookmaker 990 times out of 1000.
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“I am on at 10s Vino Victrix and 8s Pied Piper for the Cesarewich. What was stopping me saying I was already on at, say, 33-1 for one and 20-1 for another for example if I wanted to lie?”
That wouldn’t be your m.o Mike. Neither Pied Piper nor Vino Victrix has just won a race when you put them up. Stop trying to distract people. That comment is utterly irrelevant.
“I’m saying the regularity in which you post up the prices which are not available in the real world are in extremely high proportions to the odd bookie slip up”
I try to get on at a bigger price if I can, nowt wrong with that. How regularly the bookies update or change markets is up to them. Nice one on getting the Desert Hero price btw.
“That wouldn’t be your m.o Mike. Neither Pied Piper nor Vino Victrix has just won a race when you put them up. Stop trying to distract people. That comment is utterly irrelevant.”
It’s good that you are talking to me again Kris. A step in the right direction ;o)
“are you saying its ok for other forum member to post their picks and odds but not me? Or are you saying you would prefer if noone does it?”
Just for the record, afaik it’s free speech here within proprietor/admin rules so, if Mike or anyone else wants to bore the very b*ll*cks off me by continually claiming to have obtained “back board” ante-post prices every single fecking time something hoses up in a trial, he/they are perfectly at liberty to do so.
Just so long as he/they are aware they’re boring the very b*ll*cks off me and, what’s more, I don’t believe a word they ever say.
Hope that clarifies my stance on this.
Come on, Opera Singer!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Kris is absolutely spot on IMO.
Carry on if you like, Mike, maybe you enjoy the flak.
But Kris put up City Of Troy at big odds for the 2,000 Guineas and Derby ages before it even ran at Newmarket and I’d say that’s the way to get respected in this neck of the woods, not the Groundhog Day-esque rush from Oddschecker to here to spin the latest “Ripping Yarn” every time something impresses in a trial.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“But Kris put up City Of Troy at big odds for the 2,000 Guineas and Derby ages before it even ran at Newmarket and I’d say that’s the way to get respected in this neck of the woods,”
Eldar Eldarov 18-1 for the Leger and Auguste Rodin 18-1 for the Derby from me are two. Nuff respect to us both :o)
Agree with Kris as well.
Mike knows perfectly well no one is questioning the price he got on the other horses he mentioned. A quick look on Oddschecker confirms their availability. Kris is right to say it is a distraction, as was his comment about the prices obtained by ID and myself which were clearly legitimate.
He has not put up big prices about any of those other horses because he knows he would have been laughed out of the room, or accused of after timing.
The point he seems either unable or unwilling to recognise is he is claiming he got a “price” that was clearly shown in error on Oddschecker with just one bookmaker. There is no way any bookmaker is going to lay a horse owned by those connections at that price after it has won a trial by 5 lengths.
He also seems unwilling to recognise he is dealing with an audience of people who have a thorough understanding of racing and betting. He is insulting their collective intelligence. On other forums he would be described as the mythical creature starting with the letter T which lives under bridges.
Mike puts up plenty of winners so is obviously not a mug punter. That makes his claim he got 16/1 even less convincing. If he was forever tipping losers, I might possibly understand why a bookmaker was happy to lay that price to keep a mug onside. But he isn’t.
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