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    The most extreme example of that is the 5F 2-y-old race called the Flying Childers Stakes.

    Flying Childers was racing in 1721/2 and described by the gallop watchers as ‘the fleetest horse that ever ran at Newmarket’. He only ever ran in two races, and won both of them on Newmarket Heath. The first was over four miles, the second over six miles.

    The course for the latter was from Six Mile Bottom to the top of the July Course, a stretch I’m sure many of us have covered in a car!

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    Let us hope the current Lord Derby and his heirs behave themselves. Otherwise the race will have to be renamed. It could be called The Bunbury. ;-)

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    Do we need to hope Derby County don’t go bust as well?

    It’s all getting a bit out of hand!

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    Derby County? We’d have to rename the two mile handicap hurdle at Cheltenham too.

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    Omg you’re right!

    It just gets worse!

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    Irrelevant but the title of the thread made me think of this. There is a bit of naughty language at the end, just in case you do not like that kind of thing.

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    apracing writes:

    “The most extreme example of that is the 5F 2-y-old race called the Flying Childers Stakes.

    Flying Childers was racing in 1721/2 and described by the gallop watchers as ‘the fleetest horse that ever ran at Newmarket’. He only ever ran in two races, and won both of them on Newmarket Heath. The first was over four miles, the second over six miles.”

    I’ll see your Flying Childers and raise you a Gimcrack.

    In 1766 Gimcrack, then owned by the Comte de Lauraguais, was despatched to France to compete in a 22½ mile race against the clock. The horse allegedly covered the distance in under 1 hour.

    (Gimcrack’s sire was the unkindly named Cripple, a son of the Godolphin Arabian. Owners, then and now, can do better than this.)

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    And Gimcrack has a race named after him at York despite him never winning there.

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    I think that some racehorses transcend local connections and their names were basically up for grabs. Flying Childers, Gimcrack & Eclipse certainly fall into this category.

    Concerning the renaming of the Duke Of York Stakes, a similar incident took place in 1854.

    Ten years earlier Nicholas 1, Emperor of Russia, had visited Ascot for the Gold Cup. To honour his presence, the as yet unnamed 1844 winner was christened The Emperor, and until the commencement of hostilities in the Crimea the race was known as The Emperor’s Plate, with a trophy endowed by Nicholas himself. The contest reverted to its original name in 1854.

    Given the rich tapestry of racing history, I doubt these are the only examples of a race being retitled due to the unpopularity of the principals involved.

    If the Duke Of York Stakes has to be rebranded I’d like to see the name preceded by 1895, as per the current thinking among the York executive.

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    Red Rum has has a race named after him at Aintree – but IIRC it was a 2m contest.

    He won three Grand Nationals over 4m4f – surely a staying handicap Chase should carry his name.

    Poor old Shergar fares even worse.

    If it wasn’t bad enough ending his days an IRA captive, instead of something like the Classic Trial he won by ten lengths at Sandown, his name is used for that naff event only Captain Robbo can make interesting.

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    I hope Robbo reappears in time for this year’s Shergar Cup. Someone has to make it interesting.

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    I actually feel sorry for York being put in this situation. However funny people think it is they do have the image of racing to protect. As for using woke everytime something happens folk don’t like. Gies peace guys. Treat every topic on its merits and this is nothing to do with woke,whatever the he’ll that actually is.

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    It’s simple to ban every royal from every racecourse in this country, the only reason they attend is that everything is free.
    Look at what they’ve done to royal ascot, Sweaty andy pandy, getting butt f***** in all orifices. His very close friend’s Jeff & Max convicted sex offenders. Harry, we know as mental problems sparkles father as asked her to speak to FBI regarding sweaty andy.
    And yes the cardboard cutout from ITV racing keeps spouting some old birds celebration this year.
    I hear she’s not a coffin dodger anymore?? :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :negative: :negative: :negative: :negative:
    Lets have a new five second quickie in honour of how long sweaty lasted.

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    “I hope Robbo reappears in time for this year’s Shergar Cup. Someone has to make it interesting.”

    I suspect you speak for many of us, CAS.

    Without the good Captain, it will be unbearable.

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    I have no idea what the last two posts are about.
    Can they be translated from Klingon please?

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    #1579148
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    You need to be in a click to understand them both Purwell.

    This might help

    Kronenbourg 1664 is a golden pale lager with an alcohol percentage of 5.5% ABV in continental Europe and 5.0% in the UK market. It has been mooted to replace the grand old Duke of York stakes, and march him down that hill.

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    Available at BOGOF from Wetherspoons across the country.

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