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My (sour) view at the time, having backed Cliffs of Moher, was that the stable contrived to get Lancaster Bomber to win this. Having settled on it a few days, though, my opinion has changed to they were contriving to get Defoe beat and it didn’t matter which one beat him.
Defoe will stay 14 furlongs no issue and isn’t exactly fast, so in my opinion Ballydoyle were simply turning the race into a sprint for home which he would hate and which would suit Lancaster Bomber and Cliffs of Moher. There were undoubtedly team-tactics at play, but Atzeni will be kicking himself for falling for it.
For all of his genius, I would say COM has been campaigned dreadfully by AOB and it wouldn’t surprise me if the horse just wasn’t really up for it anymore.
Lancaster Bomber, gutsy though he is, has been allowed to steal this and might have to go across the pond to find Grade 1 races if he’s to win at the top level again.
I totally understand that we all have different betting patterns, we all favour different angles with our punting… But… How could anyone back those front two in the market, where it was completely crazy that Defoe was eventually favourite with Cliffs close up behind in the betting anyway. Defoe’s optimum trip is likely 1m5f, Cliffs is not a G1 animal. That will be why he drifted, they ran him in the weakest G1 they could find. On the balance of form, Cliffs and Lancaster were very similar animals. Lancaster is a real trier, whom always gives his all. The same cannot be said for Cliffs.
Ryan was on the wrong one, it happens all of the time with this stable, when they have two horses in a race, so closely rated.
Lancaster improved for the step up in trip, and won very easily. How he was ever third in the betting, is the only conundrum… And that’s because Moore was on Cliffs. If Moore have of been on Lancaster… He would have been favourite.
I’d say, when they have two runners in a race, very closely matched on form… It will ALWAYS be the best value to back the one Moore is not on!
Lest we forget so soon…He was going to choose Gustav at Newmarket!
As has been said they couldn’t care less which one wins as long as one does. It is a tactic they have often used in the past and they don’t think there is anything wrong with it.
They let the danger make the first move and if they leave it too late it doesn’t matter because they still win it with the pacemaker. Does anyone really believe Ryan Moore would have ridden like that if Lancaster Bomber had been trained by another trainer?
Heffernan quite rightly got suspended a few years ago by leaving it very very late on an odds on fav with stablemate well clear. They were bereft and couldn’t understand why anyone thought they had done anything wrong. At best I would describe it as naivety.
Twitter outrage growing.
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Back again for another (non) try, Woolfie. LOL
What a load of rubbish.
Horse breaks a blood vessel and your mates think it’s a non-trier!
Sprinter steps up to 7f, pulls hard… And your mates think it’s a non-trier!Twits.
Value Is EverythingThere’s another forum that may suit your needs better. Today a pile of posters on it were laying into Richard Johnston’s ride on Flying Tiger saying it was a non trier. (In fairness to that forum a few others did turn up to point out the patently obvious). I would love to see the state of some of those whingers’ shoulder sockets if they tried to ride that horse in that race
To pick up on a point GT made: according to the EIPH article in that renowned peer reviewed journal Wikipedia, 43-75% of horses have some blood visible in the trachea or bronchi on post race scope. That’s just the ones where the blood got that far- if you could see as far down as the bronchioles and then even further to the alveoli, where the bleeding actually happens, the percentage would be even higher. Try running with your lungs full of fluid and see if you think you should have someone lay into you to make you try harder.
There are none so blind….
as them that don’t listen
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I will.
Told you I would, Woolfie.
Had the winner in my last 8 betting races. Won’t always be the case but I have an excellent profit on the year. Actually – a nice profit to my whole betting career.
Non-triers happen from time to time; but – sorry to say this – some punters that don’t study successfully will blame other people for their own inability to profit.Value Is EverythingBear in mind that Twitter starts with ‘twit’…
Woolfie the wind up merchant surfaces again. Must be a full moon, or something!
Intersting thread.
I feel there are a lot of non triers and that is the problem with racing. It won’t change though because the authorities don’t want to stamp it out.
Sadly that is racing and where money is concerned and in racing large sums of money and where that is the case there will always be corruption or as we say non triers.Back in the mid-90’s when I subscribed to Timeform Perspective, anything that caught their eye on a card was highlighted at the top of every result card. I noted down all those horses that should’ve at least gone close to winning with a better ride, together with the trainer and jockey.
Guess which flat trainer and jockey caught the eye most?
Value Is EverythingI wonder if the perception that racing is awash with non – triers etc., deters newcomers from becoming engaged , and thereafter becoming racing converts ?
I have often wondered if scrapping handicaps, and therefore the need for running below par, or alternatively non trying (as is your interpretation ) would help matters.
Perhaps combine that with declaring horses weights before every outing , along with continuing with regular testing , and maybe that could reduce the scepticism and cynicism.
We all know that “manipulating” a horses handicap mark can currently be easily achieved by running over inappropriate trips or on unsuitable ground conditions . What are newcomers to the sport to perceive this as being ?
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