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  • #1610217
    Wilts
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    Even if you dont like Andrew Neil he’s written a brilliant article today:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11085647/ANDREW-NEIL-Liz-Trusss-biggest-foe-wont-Starmer-vitrolic-campaign-Left-Blob.html

    The Left ‘Blob’ is everywhere, from the tv media, to the NHS, to the civil service, education, the legal system – the list goes on.

    #1610219
    IanDavies
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    I don’t like Andrew Neil, I consider him very right-wing, but to be fair to him he’ll slaughter with relish anyone from anywhere on the political spectrum.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1610222
    Gladiateur
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    I’m not going to click on a link to the Daily Mail, but it isn’t the left which is running (ruining) the country.

    #1610223
    IanDavies
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    I’ve read the article, a bit high-brow and “broadsheet” (big, obscure, words) for the target audience in parts, but overall Neil effortlessly plays to the Mail gallery.

    He makes some fair points, but this ongoing trans-Atlantic theme of claiming that, despite years of Republican rule under Trump and Tory rule under Johnson, those not actually in power – the so-called “Woke” – are really in creeping control is, in my opinion, the biggest gaslighting job of the 21st century thus far.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1610225
    Gladiateur
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    Agreed, Chezza. The complete and utter lie that it’s the left running the country is farcical.

    #1610228
    Wilts
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    Despite my views being polar opposite to many in here, this place is much much friendlier than twitter.
    I set up a twitter account in 2012, whilst at work; one of my colleagues said to do it as he was having fun on there.
    However, after a few months i got bored of it and didnt post on twitter until about 6 weeks ago, when i reset my account.
    Popped in there to ‘see’ a few pals, and join in. Then, about 4 weeks ago i stumbled on the RMT twitter account and, let’s just say, posted a tweet coming from a ‘different direction’ on the industrial action.
    BANG!!
    The LEFT’s twatterati were unleashed!
    Within 5 minutes of my tweet being posted i was ‘ambushed’ by 00s of the Momentum twatterati!
    I swear an ‘alert’ went out to swamp me and my post. I frantically posted a reposte only to be overwhelmed by, the now, outright hatred from literally 00s of posts denouncing my views and me.
    Jeez those Left nutjobs are tough as nails in the safety of their bedrooms.

    I wonder if they’d be so hateful to my face?😉

    #1610229
    IanDavies
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    I am ambivalent about Twitter.

    I enjoy using it myself to tweet and link to my Facebook page and it’s a great source of information.

    But it’s also incredibly toxic.

    I cringe as much at those supposedly broadly on “my side” as I do at those the other side of the fence.

    Plus they’re all openly biased and preaching to the converted – I doubt if a heart or a mind is ever won there, it’s just gangs of people with polarised political views grandstanding to their own mob.

    But Twitter has no actual power and while it might be easy to read it and think the world has been taken over by the “Left” and the “Woke,” it’s just a relative handful of political activists making a lot of noise in cyberspace.

    Bottom line is the UK had been under Tory rule for 12 years and counting and the USA is only half a year out of Republican rule.

    The real power, as Johnson possibly alluded to himself in his “Hasta La Vista – Baby!” departure speech (by far the most iconic “my generation” moment of his whole life in my view) lies not on Twitter but at Westminster.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1610276
    yeats
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    “Every time there is a TV debate – and the market is reminded just how spectacularly dim Truss is – she drifts a bit.

    Then the next poll reminds the market it doesn’t actually matter – because the membership is even more stupid – and she shortens again”

    The same could apply to the British electorate. No matter what the tories do or antics they get up to, they are always short priced favs to win the next election.
    What price would they be if they were actually decent people and did a good job rather than the opposite?

    #1610279
    IanDavies
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    Fair comment – they’ve been a steady shade of odds-on at Betfair Exchange to win Most Seats at the next election throughout everything that’s happened the last year.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1610307
    Gladiateur
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    “The same could apply to the British electorate.”

    Shhhhhhhh. You’re not allowed to disparage the public.

    They know exactly what they’re voting for.

    #1610319
    Purwell
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    They know exactly what they’re voting for.

    Or not voting for.

    I find lots of working class people in my area who won’t vote but don’t have a logical argument why not. They just mumble that nobody’s going to make anything better for them.

    Round here if you don’t vote, you may as well vote Tory.

    Yonder stands your orphan with his gun
    Crying like a fire in the Sun
    Look out baby, the saints are comin' through
    And it's all over now, baby blue
    #1610326
    Richard88
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    Twitter is balanced to be fair, it’s a toxic cesspit across the spectrum. Post something left wing and you’ll be piled on by Dave353599584134 and his chums who all who all have three Union Flags in their bio along with ‘hates woke PC nonsense’ and a picture of Churchill.

    Haven’t read the Neil article but if he’s just dribbling on about how everything is the fault of ‘the left’ despite ‘the right’ being in power for 12 years then I’m not interested. He can do better than that.

    Like Ian I don’t like him but do at least admire his skewering of people of all political persuasions.

    #1610328
    Wilts
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    “Haven’t read the Neil article but”….

    Prob best to read it first before commenting :wacko:

    “Twitter is balanced to be fair” – :wacko:
    Really?! It may be across all subjects, but it aint on any particular subject.
    That is why UK politicians should 100% avoid it to shape future policy. Millions in the UK do not engage and they are the millions that are the floating voters.
    In the UK twatter has become the mouthpiece of The Left – the plonks who havent the stomach to face the likes of me F2F. They defo couldnt spew the bile and use same aggression F2F as they do on twatter.

    #1610329
    Richard88
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    Twitter the mouthpiece of the left? Complete rubbish. Clearly not just me who doesn’t read things before commenting on them*. You posted a right wing comment on the RMT account, what did you expect? Try posting a left wing comment on a right wing article and see what happens.

    Do agree that politicians should avoid it, as has been said here it’s a vocal minority on both sides who shout loudest. The sensible people and moderates keep well away.

    *I’ll happily read it but execercise my right not to click on Daily Mail links so I’ll need an alternative source.

    #1610330
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    A lot of bots on Twitter as well. Do the maths on how many tweets some accounts have put out and when they joined. Won’t take you long to find someone who literally would have to post hundreds or thousands of times of times a day for months or even years to hit the numbers they do.

    #1610334
    IanDavies
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    “Twitter is balanced to be fair”

    I’m pretty sure this was an ironic comment from Richard, used as a neat lead-in to a punchline about it being equally toxic across the board.

    I agree with Richard – red rose sporting, #neveratory, hashtags to the left, Union Jack waving, #hatesocialism hashtags to the right, the place is a gigantic cesspit of people whose entrenched views you know before they type a word.

    It’s good for news – it often sets the news agenda the MSM then picks up on, in fact – but it’s not the best advert for the human race.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1610338
    homersimpson
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    I’ve heard it all now. Just because the country’s going tits up it can’t be the Tories fault because they know how to run the economy, it must be the Left. BTW I refuse to read the DM article also.

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