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Took 16’s before the race on Finians Oscar – into 5’s now. Pretty happy with that
A shrewd move there Charlie. It will be interesting to see what Death Duty does tomorrow
at Naas, if he messes up you could find Finians odds may drop even more. Best of luck
Was anybody else unimpressed by Finian’s Oscar’s performance? I’ll watch later but Capitaine stopped 2 out, easy pickings after that.
Does not strike me as a Cheltenham winner in the slightest. Step up in trip will suit but must improve his jumping a fair bit.
Was anybody else unimpressed by Finian’s Oscar’s performance? I’ll watch later but Capitaine stopped 2 out, easy pickings after that.
He’s certainly not the finished article Zark, and he looked a bit green today. Having
said that, he’s only raced 3 times and won them by 8, 7 and 5 L. Capitaine was disappointing,
so it’s debatable what he’s beaten, but he’s definitely open to improvement. I don’t know
how good he is, but I’d be quite happy if I was Charlie.Took 16’s before the race on Finians Oscar – into 5’s now. Pretty happy with that
A shrewd move there Charlie. It will be interesting to see what Death Duty does tomorrow
at Naas, if he messes up you could find Finians odds may drop even more. Best of luck Cheers Big G. I wasn’t blown away but then I wasn’t expecting to be. It was a huge step up from Hereford and he handled it well. Ticks the boxes for Neptune IMO
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Well said that man
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Are you saying I’m saying “was that really that good?” because I didn’t back him? I literally could not have cared less about the result. Never had a bet and you couldn’t have paid me to have a bet.
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Could not have put it better myself and I didn’t bet In the race.
Yorkhill was even less impressive than that last year in the tolworth but look what happened.
I love how he’s only had 2 runs meaning he going to be even better next time plus he will improve even further for the trip.
Looks a solid bet at 13/2.
As for death duty it looks like he’s going Albert Bartlett so I would imagine him winning/losing tomorrow wouldn’t effect the odds to much.Was anybody else unimpressed by Finian’s Oscar’s performance? I’ll watch later but Capitaine stopped 2 out, easy pickings after that.
I wasn’t as impressed as some, including Nick Luck who couldn’t stop enthusing about the horse ( though the obvious caveat being that he’s paid to present the sport and naturally disposed to excessive rhetoric ). It was a taking performance from a novice but i think it says far more about the current state of the bigger jumps yards that only Nicholls and Tizzard could muster a likely Tolworth winner from their ranks.
I’ve been extremely disappointed with the novice division from both sides of the water this season – just over two months until the festival and there remains market leaders who are unraced this season. Yards refusing to have more than one runner in a race, often refusing to consider them at all. Protecting them from certain ground or fear of defeat at a higher level ( Don Bersy only running at Sandown because Ludlow had been abandoned, although it’s easier to understand with juveniles )
Thistlecrack and Tizzard aside, it’s been a mediocre season thus far.
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Could not have put it better myself and I didn’t bet In the race.
Yorkhill was even less impressive than that last year in the tolworth but look what happened.
I love how he’s only had 2 runs meaning he going to be even better next time plus he will improve even further for the trip.
Looks a solid bet at 13/2.
As for death duty it looks like he’s going Albert Bartlett so I would imagine him winning/losing tomorrow wouldn’t effect the odds to much.Yorkhill was in my opinion more impressive winning this last year, remember how heavy the ground was? They were paddling up the hill, the horse won that on pure class.
Not too many horses win a Grade 1 on only their second run. Not too many horses will win a Grade 1 by daylight over a trip shorter than ideal and after at least a couple of iffy jumps. Add in the ground was possibly softer than ideal as well and all told I think you have a pretty impressive performance. Unfortunately, in general plenty of the criticism on here often seems a result of not backing said horse.
Could not have put it better myself and I didn’t bet In the race.
Yorkhill was even less impressive than that last year in the tolworth but look what happened.
I love how he’s only had 2 runs meaning he going to be even better next time plus he will improve even further for the trip.
Looks a solid bet at 13/2.
As for death duty it looks like he’s going Albert Bartlett so I would imagine him winning/losing tomorrow wouldn’t effect the odds to much.You’re very probably correct Jasolong, Death Duty more than likely will head for the Albert Bartlett,
but nonetheless he was favourite for the Neptune before Finians Oscar ran today. He’s clear second
favourite at the moment, and if he fails to impress tomorrow he will slide in the market, I think
it’s possible that Finians could shorten, not because he should, but because the market generally
overreacts. Regardless of that, I agree with you that Charlie is sitting on a very decent bet at 16/1.Regardless of that, I agree with you that Charlie is sitting on a very decent bet at 16/1.
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Without a doubt, good luck with him Charlie.
Took 16’s before the race on Finians Oscar – into 5’s now. Pretty happy with that
Done the same myself, took the 16s for the Neptune and the 20s for the supreme before the race. Wasn’t 100% what his target will be – Tizzard said as much after the race also (but i’d imagine the Neptune).
Took 16’s before the race on Finians Oscar – into 5’s now. Pretty happy with that
Done the same myself, took the 16s for the Neptune and the 20s for the supreme before the race. Wasn’t 100% what his target will be – Tizzard said as much after the race also (but i’d imagine the Neptune).
I done similar but took the 20s neptune yesterday and took 16s supreme in running.
I would say it would be unlikely but interested if anyone though albert bartlett was still a possibility?I think they’re making a mistake with Death Duty if they step him up in trip. Similar to the one made with Shantou Village, who was mpressive over 2m4f but stepped up to 3 miles for the festival – no need whatsoever.
It makes sense result of Tolworth divides opinion. Over the last 4/5 years we have known a lot more about previous winners, having seen Yorkhill, L’ami Serge, Royal Boy, Melodic Rendezvous etc, run 3-4 times before the Tolworth, so it was easier to make their case for the festival and some will argue those were more competitive races. That being said, this horse has the potential to be anything – that is said too often but I think in this case it is quite exciting. We know the form of CT as we do the Tolworth as a trial for Cheltenham. I love how unexposed this horse is and it obviously takes a lot of ability to step into a grade 1 like that and win the way he did.
Well done those with big odds. If I had them Neptune only I’d lay it back to save my stake because I suspect he’ll end up in the Supreme for which I’ve just backed him at 12s.
My thought when viewing live as he came away approaching the last, and again after jumping it, was I’d even be tempted by the Albert Bartlett. But I’ve just watched it again and it ain’t stamina that wins him the race it’s a potent mixture of speed and class. O’Brien was just holding onto him with a fairly light touch (the horse looks very tractable) and as soon as he shook him up going to the second-last, the race was over. Not the first time he reminded me a bit of Thistlecrack (his fine jump at the first brought the horse’s style and athleticism to mind)
One thing struck me right away: if O’Brien had held onto him until after the last, he’d be 5/2 for the Neptune and maybe not much bigger for the Supreme. He was in front miles too soon for a horse with that kind of acceleration, and way too early for one so green. I’d bet he’ll keep hold of him an awful lot longer in future.
On second viewing, I thought he was actually tying up a bit on the run-in. That’s when his class and his generous nature kicked in and he found more.
Capitaine’s error just after FO accelerated, made FO’s clearing away look much more impressive than perhaps it would have been, but I’ve allowed for that. He left Chalonnial (a lovely type who’ll win a decent race over fences) in his wake, and he might even have scared young Sam into making that error on the grey. STD, on the face of it, looked to be travelling almost as sweetly as FO but as soon as O’Brien got going he was about to be two lengths clear and I could almost hear Sam go “F*kin Hell!” as he got after Capitaine a few strides before take off.
Anyway, Lord knows what Tizz is feeding them down there or what air they are breathing, but he could be on the way to building one of those rare edifices in racing: Millionaires’ Row. Fred Winter had the first one that I can recall (Bula, Lanzarote, Pendil, Killiney etc) then Dickinson with Silver Buck, Bregawn, The Mighty Mac, Wayward Lad, Badsworth Boy etc. We all know about Nicholls and Mullins, but it would be lovely to see the ‘small man’ emulate the great names.
He’s now talking up Alary. Who knows what else is in the wings? The Champion Trainer title might yet be his.
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