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I don’t think so, Giggs. He looks round twice in the last 3f, but never stops riding Sizing Europe. That said, the horse wasn’t ridden as if fitness was going to be an issue, so possibly he is at fault, if he knew in advance that SE was likely to fold when off the bridle?
It’s a very unsatisfactory event all round, imo, and I won’t be forming too many firm opinions on the back of it.
Agreed.
Sizing Europe still has a lot to prove of course, but I was encouraged by what I saw on Sunday. Bit harsh to say Sizing Europe "folded" off the bridle IMO, Grassy. He actually picked up well after the second last to go clear and turning in, it looked a re-run of last years AIG. I also take significant encouragement from the fact that he was running on again up the run-in, which he certainly didn’t do at Cheltenham.
That said, it’s hard to dispell the nagging doubt that he’s burdened with a long-term problem and, until he comprehensively proves otherwise, that doubt will remain.
If he’s back to his best, he’s an 3/1 shot IMO.
Grass, could the turn round in form between Hardy and Sizing be down to the HEAVY ground?
Colin
Every chance, Col, though I suspect it affected Jered’s performance more than the others.
The ground? Folded? hole in his head two in his ass? Friggin horse blew up and ran a great race..what’s the matter with you guys ? stop looking for things that just aren’t there…….this horse is one ofhe best hurdlers for years who had a mishap and a huge setback….trainer warned he would need the race did he not?…….how can you make anything else of the race other than he’s back???? beats the hell out of me where you get your ideas from
beats the hell out of me where you get your ideas from
Evidently you just crawled in a hole the first day of last year’s Festival, only to re-emerge with no knowledge of that day’s events….
Mate I agree with most of your post and wasn’t reffering to you….as I was the first person to bring up his name on this forum and say he would win the Champion well before he won the AIG I think I know a little bit about him……….for example I know he didn’t run on at Cheltenham because he sustained an injury and his jockey pulled him up……….I guess you missed that bit
Fist, as usual, you display all the righteous indignation of the true fundamentalist – and all the ignorance too. I’ll therefore do you the favour of bringing a little enlightement into your life.
The following was reported on this website in either late February or early March. It was attributed to David Casey at a Cheltenham preview night:
“David Casey said he was down at Henry De Bromhead’s yard yesterday riding out a few lots. One of his mounts was doing his normal workout when Casey said “he stopped to a walk” very quickly. He said to the trainer that the horse completely cut out on him and the trainer responded saying that yeah a few of them were doing that recently. “
Now, I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I do find it interesting that “stopping to a walk” appeared to be exactly what happened to Sizing Europe in the Champion Hurdle.
Being a moderately cautious type, I therefore ask myself the following question in light of Champion Hurdle events:
“If I was the trainer, do I admit that there actually appeared to be a potential problem in the yard on the run-up to Cheltenham, and that it may explain why the Champion Hurdle favourite went out like a light in the race………or do I avoid a lynching, and tell everyone that he returned with an injury”.
I know the answer I would give if I was in Henry de Bromhead’s shoes.
It’s for the individual to decide what stock they place in the quote attributed to Casey, and what subsequently happened to Sizing Europe in the Champion Hurdle. However what is not in dispute is that the quote attributed to Casey was posted here – in apparent good faith – several days before the race.
For me, I will reserve judgement on whether we will see the real Sizing Europe again, until after his next outing. What I won’t do, is attribute his Cheltenham performance to an ailment which has still not been satisfactorily explained away (imo), or put the last furlong of the Morgiana down to him simply needing the run.
You can interpret both runs in any way you please – I have no desire to change your mind about the way you view them.
But please try not to run your mouth off whilst you do it, when you are clearly not in possession of all the available information – there’s a good chap.
Grass me old mate or should I call you Andy Pandy? if you aren’t a cospiracy theorist your making a dam good job of it…go and watch the race I can email you a copy if you don’t have one….at the I saw the exact place where he twisted his body and went wrong when I replayed it….Was a bit busy cheering Katchit on to notice on the first viewing…….I came on here at the time and said, before it was announced he had injured himself…unlike you I do know a bit about horses…….it is clear to see if you know what to look for…..The treatment he had wa a fairy story too I suppose?.I was going to put an Emoticons on here but there isn’t one for Dribble/**** as you so often put it
Jacanory! Jackanory! Jackanory!
What I won’t do, is attribute his Cheltenham performance to an ailment which has still not been satisfactorily explained away (imo), or put the last furlong of the Morgiana down to him simply needing the run.
First of all, calm the feck down a bit Fists! No need to get personal!
I must admit I was rather concerned by how quickly he appeared to run out of puff before the last, Grassy, but he runs on again (perhaps keeps on would be a more accurate phrase, in fairness) on the run-in, in the manner of a horse that blew up due to lack of fitness.
I would be a hell of a lot more confident if the stable was wrong at the time, and we could merely put his performance down to the stables form. It may be, of course, but he just didn’t seem to run that sort of race for me.
The fact he did run on a bit only convinces me more that the horse is still up for it. I wish he would go fencing to be honest as he is definately a bit special and a horse I fear a lot. Irrespective of what you me or anyone thinks of Hardy Eustace he can still go a bit and in the AIG Sizing Europe made him and the others look like selling platers………Sizing Europe scared the hell out of every bookie in the country and he was slashed to 6/4 favourite.
His injury would be similar to the one Exotic Dancer had and once treated they seldom return. It’s not like he had a leg and I think writing him off or dowubting his abilty will cost those that do plenty…….wouldn’t mind 2/1 about him for his next run no matter where it is.
I won’t dispute the fact that Henry De Bromhead’s horses were running below form in the run up to Cheltenham last year.
BUT
Grasshopper, if we are to believe that the reason why Sizing Europe stopped to a walk at Cheltenham was down to a problem in the yard, rather than a muscle problem in his back, then why did they not run him at Punchestown in April when the yard was starting to hit form again?
Imperial Call, I’m merely articulating why I’m cautious about attributing SE’s run on Sunday to fitness only, and offering some context as to why I’m cautious.
Like I say though, it is indisputable fact that those comments were attributed to Casey, on this very forum, in the first week of March this year. It’s up to the individual whether they pay any heed to them or not – I frankly don’t give two hoots whether anyone believes it or not.
Fair enough Grass,
My memory is a bit sketchy, but I think they were planning on running the horse at the Punchestown Festival but they felt that his back muscles might still have been bothering him.
I hope the horse remains sound for the rest of the season because he’ll take all the beating in my opinion.
Can I go to bed now I am half sozzled? Johnny Walker and heat don’t mix
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