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I don’t buy this idea of "It happens, has done for centuries….." They used to chop peoples’ heads off and display them on London Bridge.<br>I believe we need to modernise racing (along with some other institutions) because if we don’t, respect is lost and participation ceases.
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Max
My post was not intended for anyone personally, or at any particular case specifically, just generally.:cool: <br>I’d been backing horses for a long time, and was endlessly frustrated by supporting what I knew to be the best horse in the race only to see it finish down the field.<br>I hate giving money to unworthy causes, plus it didn’t help the confidence to keep backing losers, so I had to come to terms with the situation, which I have now to some degree. Still much to learn, but it becomes much more an open book when you expect it to happen, and make selections accordingly.<br>I may be preaching to the converted in your case, but I would advise anyone who bets seriously to study this aspect carefully, because, whatever some may think or wish, it happens, and unless one budgets for it, they’ll likely end up paying for it.<br>I’d be pretty sure it’s the same everywhere too, regardless of structure or administration.<br>
<br>Chapple-Hyam may have told the stewards he wanted the horse ridden prominently, but it’s worth bearing in mind that if he’d said he was happy with the ride, he risks a fine of several thousand pounds and a 40 day ban for the horse.
So his orders to McCarthy may not have been quite the same.
AP
Max…your claim that my claim that you claimed Cecil was involved was wrong, is correct. I didn’t mean to put words into your mouth and accept that what I claimed you claimed was a bit strong.
On a more general point, I also accept that the vast majority of the posting on this site, regarding this issue stem from a love of racing which we all share and equally a concern as to the integrity of racing again which we all share.
So, here’s an idea: how about making Owners, rather than jockeys and trainer, accountable for how their horse performs. Ridiculous idea, maybe – But if I were an owner paying £20,000+ per year to have a horse trained and I were now stood in front of the Stewards being handed down a £5,000 fine, because my horse had been deemed a non-trier. I wouldn’t be too happy.
Just an idea.
I haven’t seen this race but I have used Adie on my horses a few times and have no problem with him. He isn’t the strongest in the world but then is is only about 7st 9 wet through. However he has done what he has been asked to on all occasions. I have never heard him described as bent and I could tell you 59 other jockeys who you would have way in front of him. As second rider to CH, I would be suprised if he had blatantly stopped one in such a way, however the rumour mill up at the racecourse today reckon he has lost the job there with CH.
If the race was dodgy then I am genuinely disappointed in Adie (apart from the fact that he has ridden Taj and she could be running during his ban). If the horse felt wrong under him, then I would hope his employer would give him the benefit of the doubt. Possibly had this happened last June 3rd then we may not have lost Horatio Nelson in such horrific fashion.
RH, I agree with you – you have to factor it in – and they are isolated cases. In fact, 3-y-o maidens are off my menu after this, so I learned.
And Pompete…
…your claim that my claim that you claimed Cecil was involved was wrong, is correct. I didn’t mean to put words into your mouth and accept that what I claimed you claimed was a bit strong.
…errrrr…ok sah!:biggrin: Nice one.
And apologies for the digression, everyone. Saturday night, y’know.
As has been said, we can understand CH not offering support at the enquiry and thus avoiding the fine and 40 day ban on the horse. However interesting rumour that CH won’t use McCarthy again. He was a respectable 20-144 over the last 5 years. One thing if you genuinely think the horse was stopped and you’ve been lied to, but a sad lack of trust and support if a credible explanation was offered. I remember yonks ago the relationship between Winter- Francome not being the same as it was after the latter’s ride on the unfortunately named Stopped.<br>Overall there isn’t much loyalty in racing. On an apparent issue of competence rather than corruption . Stoute won’t have Abdulla’s retained rider Hughes on his horses.Fair enough Hughes polarises opinion and isn’t everyone’s cup of tea (joining R Hills and Spencer) but he’s good enough for other Abdulla trainers of the stature of Gosden, Cecil,Charlton, Hills and Perrett. Any owner or racing manager worth their salt would have sent the horsebox to take the horses away at dawn next morning. The Home Affairs ride at Epsom seemed to be the catalyst, but Hughes isn’t the first and won’t be the last to get trapped behind fading horses with horses rolling in on the camber on the outside keeping him in- these things happen at Epsom.
(Edited by Lingfield at 8:55 pm on May 6, 2007)
You can try and make excuses for Hughes’s ride aboard Home Affairs, Lingfield, but it was nothing more than sheer incompetence – something the ‘Wolvo Reject’ is all too famous for.
As for Mia’s Boy, the arguments both for and against the horse seemingly being stopped can be justified. On the one hand the horse looks less than straight forward, and certainly ran in snatches, but on the other he was going well enough turning in and McCarthy looked less than keen to ask him to quicken. Even when he did begin to run on, Adrian was sitting relatively still.
To be honest I’d be wary of the correlation between Chapple-Hyam’s story and that of McCarthy, if only for the reasons mentioned by apracing previously. After all, PCH is hardly likely to ‘miss’ the services of the likes of Adrian, yet may not feel obliged to pay a hefty fine and keep his horse(s) off the track for an extended period.
I did notice though that Mia’s Boy is owned by Iraj Parvizi who, if memory serves, is a major player in the oil industry. Of Dubaian origin I doubt whether he’s all that bothered about keeping a horse back in a pokey Lingfield maiden and he wouldn’t be the type of owner I’d risk annoying too much (if indeed it is the same Iraj Parvizi).
(Edited by LetsGetRacing at 10:04 pm on May 6, 2007)
As I have said on my original post on this thread PCH comes across as a genuine nice guy, though I never sat down to dinner with him.<br>But how the hell do we know what instructions he gave the Jockey, Was their pre race conversation recorded by the stewards, be honest he could tell the stewards any old cock and bull story and nobody would be any wiser.
Quote: from davidjohnson on 9:53 pm on May 6, 2007[br]Does Hughes really polarise opinion? I thought that everyone agrees he’s s**t<br>e.<br>
<br>What’s your enlightened opinion on R Hills and Spencer then David? These two also seem to cause excitement on another forum , the latter being a former champion jockey of course.
Richard Hughes looks good winning on good things imo, Jamie Spencer is a top jock and can balance and settle a horse like i have never seen. Richard Hills is ok but Martin Dwyer is better and shud be the No.1 jock to Hamdan. Thing that annoys me about Hughes so much is he gives uo the ghost quickly and doesnt try his hardest at times to gain the best ultimate placing.
Another 3-y-o maiden comes under scrutiny. Forumite Sean Boyce in the booth suggest it’s the biggest response ever to a ride.
Heavily backed Gosden inmate Venerable is challenged by unfancied stablemate Shavansky in the final furlong of a Chepstow maiden, but eventually prevails. TV racewatchers jam the e-switchboard complaining about the effort of Robert Havlin on the runner up.
Fwiw, I thought the runner up was green and one paced and was beaten on merit.
One word, gentleman. Coupling.:biggrin:
Interesting and probably fair assessment of the Chepstow race on the results section of the RP website, albeit a damning and sad indictment on the integrity of racing today
Quote: from Lingfield on 5:54 pm on May 8, 2007[br]Interesting and probably fair assessment of the Chepstow race on the results section of the RP website, albeit a damning and sad indictment on the integrity of racing today<br>
I was absoluetly amazed that neither the trainer or jockey was even asked for an explanation, less obvious cases of cheating were punished by the stewards which usually consisted of lower profile trainers and jockeys. John Gosden of non questionable parentage, he would never cheat now would he ?.<br>Whats the point in asking for severer punishments for cheating, when certain individuals are allowed to get away scott free.
Before anyone starts jumping to a defence, if you haven’t seen the race, then I recommend that you check it out on the ATR website. Has to be seen to be believed, the gambled on winner got 10 smacks of the whip with 8 of those pretty strong forehands by Hughes, while Havlin never even showed his horse the whip, and hardly broke sweat in pushing his horse out and only got beaten a lenght.
<br>MM,
I don’t actually expect to get a reply, as your usual mode is to rant with your own special brand of 100% moral certainty and then ignore anyone that asks questions.
But still here goes – unless you are a steward at Chepstow yourself, how do you know that no explanation was requested?
AP
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MM<br>Even with my glazed eyes and the poor picture on ATR video, I can clearly see R Havlin applying backhanders down the shoulder of the horse.<br>But then, my optic nerve does connect to a brain.:biggrin:
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