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Hi John,
What I am driving at is the horse is the primary factor.<br>Connections of both horses’ would like AP in the plate, but unfortunately, one will be let down.<br>Probably "not losing any sleep" is a bit flippant, but the loser in obtaining AP’s services will have to look elsewhere, and in my opinion, if the horse is at it’s best, a good jockey should give the horse an equally acceptable ride as AP would.
My main thread is what level of contribution a jockey actually gives to a horse’s performance. I am led to believe the connections of both horses’ sincerely believe A.P is essential. I tend to disagree with their assumption.
It is only my opinion that a jockey’s contibution is not as essential as people/media makes out. I have been known to be off beam before!! :) <br>
regards,
doyley
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 9:59 am on Feb. 20, 2007[br]
Quote: from Aragorn on 9:55 am on Feb. 20, 2007[br]
Quote: from jazza23 on 9:23 pm on Feb. 19, 2007[br]I’m pretty sure that if o’neil wants mccoy on straw bear then thats where he’ll be – regardless of how good a horse brave inca is. <br>
I think he means Mcmanus.  Anyhow, while it looks like he wants to ride Brave, Im pretty sure he wont be allowed.  That said, he has every right to float the idea doesnt he.  Cant see what loyalty has to do with it, all parties know where they stand….its JP’s choice.
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Harry, I know!
Doyley, if a jockey can make 10% difference and say McCoy is worth that 10% whereas a lesser jockey is worth 5-6% and they are both riding the same rated horse; over the course of a race thats a massive difference. Not interested in doing the maths but that % difference would be worth at least 5 maybe 10 lengths over the course of a race. Even if it’s only two it’s still a big difference. Jockeys are massively important in my book.
tony mcoy has made an amazing difference to brave inca way above 10%, nobody else would have won some the races ap has won on him they are made for each other brave inca keeps finding more and more for him.<br>however surely jp mcmanus must have him on straw bear he is comprimising his own horses chance if he lets him ride brave inca.
Quote: from dave 22 on 4:52 pm on Feb. 20, 2007[br]Brave inca didnt keep finding more for AP in the AIG did he!?!
Yes but last year in the Champion Hurdle he found more surely Mccoy shud be able 2 ride again BI is a betta horse than SB
Danny, Mcmanus pays him somewhere in the region of £300,000 (Anyone know for sure?) so why on earth should he let McCoy ride Brave Inca?!! Thats why it’s called a retainer. :biggrin:
I think he already made that decision Danny, thats why he signed up with McManus.
JohnJ.
This is off attheraces Mccoy talking about Straw Bear he doesn’t mantion the champion hurdle so is he gonna ride Brave Inca
Tony McCoy believes the forcing tactics he employed on Straw Bear at Wincanton on Saturday could be the making of him.
The champion jockey made nearly all on the JP McManus-owned six-year-old and puts the gelding’s improvement in the jumping department down to the fact he was out on his own in front.
"It was his best round of jumping in a race so far, he was quicker and more fluent over the hurdles than he has been to date," McCoy said.
"I think the way I rode him probably helped because he was on his own a long time. He’s a good traveller and the majority of horses who don’t travel in their races make mistakes.
"So I wouldn’t say it was because he had it easy that he jumped better, but more down to the fact of the way I rode him – being a bit more aggressive on him maybe helped him jump that little bit better.
"The one thing about him in all his races, touch wood, is that he travels very well," McCoy told At The Races.
In terms of poundage in performance, it’s difficult to argue that McCoy has made any more than 2 or 3 lb difference max. Brave Inca did finish third in a Champion Hurdle under Barry Cash. Considering he’s rated in the 165/170 range, thats probably less than 2% difference.
Well, if you think JP McManus will let AP ride Brave Inca, then go to Paddy Power as they’re offering 5/2 he does
:biggrin: lol what if Mccoy rides straw bear and straw bear beats brave inca by a nose the 2% makes all the difference then
Quote: from Danny on 6:42 pm on Feb. 20, 2007[br]:biggrin: lol what if Mccoy rides straw bear and straw bear beats brave inca by a nose the 2% makes all the difference then
I would think that is what Mr Mcmanus is paying for Danny boy. Keep up.
Its very hard to argue conclusively that AP made any contribution to the horse, brave inca that is but he well have.
If there is one thing i find hard to take in racing, it is the lack of loyalty that often surrounds how owners or connections treat jockeys. Ok, fair enough if your jockey has made serious errors or if there is clear evidence that another jockey might suit him, but instead what often happens is that owners like to blame jockeys for there horse not quite being good enough. Often there appears to be no reason.
An interesting recent enough example was when Back in fronts jock got replaced before Cheltenham a few years back….was that Condon?? (memory is great)
However what really p**s
es me off a bit is when a young or less fashionable jockey goes out of his way to help develope a horse or help connections with less resources to only be then forgotten when the horse starts showing something and the agents start ringing.SHL
McCoy has pronounced today that in his opinion the race lies between Brave Inca and Hardy Eustace so you can see where he’d rather be ! Trainer Gifford also gives Straw Bear no more than place claims.<br>McCoy opted to take the McManus retainer and big money so should be obliged to get on with it and ride Straw Bear. It’s not as if the retained ride is a complete no hoper (David Johnson let Murphy ride Racing Demon in the King George and not his no hoper as a one off). <br>
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