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- October 2, 2010 at 17:48 #16356
Have decided to keep a watching brief on Mr Johnstons runners for the time being and certainly won’t be investing.
No winners in his last 50 runners, and only Rainfall has won in the last 73.
Has anyone else got any views or concerns ?October 2, 2010 at 18:41 #320502
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Loads of horses, just get them fit and run them it’s not rocket science he doesn’t have any star horses that you train individually on special regime, his horses are probably in handicappers grip or not good enough but he’ll offload 80 and get another new 100 horses next year.
No no worries at all at least his horses run on merit and u know their fit and trying it’s ur bad punting if you can’t find a winner from his last 50 runners nothing to co with form
October 2, 2010 at 19:03 #320504You seem to misunderstand me Mr Wilson.
Its nothing to do with bad punting in not being able to find a winner in his last 50 runners, its simply a fact that there hasnt been a winner in his last 50 runnersOctober 3, 2010 at 16:13 #320719Mark Johnston is an enigma, Coggy. You can’t back his favourites with any certainty. You can’t ignore his outsiders. He runs three or four in a race and doesn’t always win with the obvious one and you have highlighted another aspect of the enigma – he’s the ultimate streak trainer.
This must be the third time this season he’s had a freezing run like this. But you can never use that information to make a profit because suddenly, seemingly from nowhere, a winning streak explodes.
And when it does, he doesn’t just find one winner in the wilderness – the victories come in torrents.
Johnston exploits weight-for-age in the summer brilliantly, something the market hasn’t fully caught up on yet, and last year, you could make a profit backing all his horses who finished unplaced last time out. I always look twice at his horses in any race over £10,000. The more valuable the race, the more consistently they seem to run. The other comment I’d make about Johnston is that he trains near 300 horses and operates 363 days a year. How many of those horses does he have personal involvement with?
It was only fifteen years ago he was training cripples and cast-offs up the runway of a disused Lincolnshire aerodrome: The growth in his fortunes has been staggering. Such is Johnston’s evolution as a trainer, I’m not sure its prudent to make definitive statements about him and thus – an enigma he shall remain. Imo of course.
October 3, 2010 at 16:35 #320722And when it does, he doesn’t just find one winner in the wilderness – the victories come in torrents.
Yes, if he gets five winners such are the number of runners there will more than likely be twenty losers or more close at hand. As I have said before he is racing’s Mr Scattergun – horses seemingly run over varying distances on any ground – optimum conditions don’t seem to matter. The two-year-olds were very slow to appear this season and I don’t think any have supplemented a debut win. If there ever was any value in following the stable runners, plenty of that will have disappeared with an increasing number of rides being taken by Fallon and Dettori.
October 3, 2010 at 18:14 #320737Don’t think I’d better comment Coggy, Reet would not like it.

Nah, who cares?
Johnston may well have a minor virus in the yard. No doubt it will end soon. Would put me off backing his horses until things improve.
Value Is EverythingOctober 3, 2010 at 18:28 #320741Nearly all his runners race prominently, no matter what the pace is. You rarely see Fairley or Fanning taking a pull or dropping off the pace because they think the pace is too strong so consequently lots of his horses weaken out of contention and this can sometimes mask their true ability. He races his horses far more frequently than can surely be good for all of them, over a variety of trips on varying ground (as has been pointed out in an earlier post) but when his scattergun fires on a suitable target in suitable conditions, they more often than not run to form. It’s the punters job to work out what those conditions are and with the large amount of form his horses have in the book it should surely be an advantage? I’m not sure that Johnston knows what the optimum requirements of his horses are, probably because he has so many of them! .Emerging Artist is a good example, unraced for Godolphin at 2 and 3yrs, debut for Johnston in June has has run eight races since, averaging just under 12 days gap between each. Arguably his best run was his 4th start at Newbury over 10f but since then he has run twice over an extra 2f, creditably but one paced, and over 13f at Chester and 14f at Goodwood, not seeing the trip out on either occasion. The route he has taken with this horse is probably not the route a smaller trainer would have taken but when he eventually drops down to a stiff 10f I will be getting a better price and grateful that he did. Similar comments apply to a lot of his horses. Also, because of the way his horses race, I’m sure the cleverer punters can make a nice profit laying his horses in running, too.
October 3, 2010 at 18:30 #320742Well folks i’m new here so give me a while to get a hang of things.
Johnston’s a trainer i always keep an eye on and get word from the stable on ocassion(ony 2-3 times a year) but not 1 has lost yet out of 5 or 6
! Thats the blink on it now surely
He sent 1 over to Dundalk today Hajoum and sent greg fairley with it so i had a little flutter and it duly obliged so there’s the losing streak finished! - AuthorPosts
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