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    CharlesOlneyCharlesOlney
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    I thought I’d take a look at this in the aftermath of Cracksman’s epic defeat in the Prince of Wales’ and am astounded that Corals have Masar at 12/1. Surely just a 1st 3 finish in the Eclipse and he’d head here with a fantastic chance.

    Masar 12/1

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    CharlesOlneyCharlesOlney
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    Corals have cut Masar into 8/1 now.

    At prices, I just wonder if Windstoss makes some e/w appeal at 40/1. I don’t think he was anywhere near his best at Epsom on the soft ground but still ran well to be within 4 lengths of Cracksman at the line. It was a quick surface on which he won last year’s German Derby so a return to similar conditions should suit and the German’s have a cracking recent record in this.

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    Bobby BluebellBobby Bluebell
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    Who is Aidan going to run in this now?

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    CharlesOlneyCharlesOlney
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    Cliffs Of Moher and Idaho I should imagine. Neither of whom will trouble Masar.

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    Looks likely Cracksman is out

    https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/cracksman-to-swerve-king-george/149855

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    I’ve just had a pound each way on Rostropovich at 50/1 with Boylesports. He’s roughly around 16’s everywhere else

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    LD73
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    I think any slight chance of seeing Cracksman at Ascot is now gone with Dettori’s 10 day ban ruling him out of that meeting plus Goodwood.

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    Bobby BluebellBobby Bluebell
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    Well, he can’t ride Enable and Cracksman in the Arc…so, this race might be an opportunity for another jockey to get to know Cracksman

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    HimselfHimself
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    Rab Havlin is the most obvious replacement for Dettori on Cracksman , having rode the colt to victory on its racecourse debut at Newmarket .

    Not that it will matter much , as Crystal Ocean will take the world of beating at Ascot .

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    Bobby BluebellBobby Bluebell
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    This race just got interesting…AOB says Kew Gardens likely to go here next.

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    LD73
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    Looks like being a rather competitive renewal without having a real standout star – Crystal Ocean most likely winner as I think Poet’s Word is not as strong a stayer at 12F.

    Will be interesting to see who gets the leg up on CO as I would assume Moore will be claimed for Kew Gardens if he runs.

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    LD73, will both go there considering they are trained by Stoute?

    I actually think Poet’s Word has shaped in many of his 1m2 races like 1m4 would be better….

    He’s also won over 1m4 on soft…

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    Two different connections so I don’t see why they wouldn’t run both and the only other option for PW would be to wait for the Juddmonte which is towards the end of August and from Stoute’s point of view having two darts is better than one.

    Think PW is a quicker horse this year than he was last year and at Ascot he didn’t look like another 2F would suit as he wasn’t putting any more distance into Cracksman in the last 1F and at Meydan he looked the most likely winner 2F out but seemed to be outstayed by Hawkbill.

    The one thing that may play into his hands was if the didn’t go a strong pace from the start, I think he would have a better turn of foot than CO does but off a strong gallop I could see CO wearing him down in the last 1F.

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    DegaussedDegaussed
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    This looks quite a bland looking Group 1 with Cracksman an unlikely runner. Crystal Ocean should be one to take on, in my opinion, at 13/8.

    I like ROSTROPOVICH at a double-figure price. His form on better ground this year reads:

    1st – Listed race
    2nd – Group 2
    2nd – Group 1

    He seems likely to take his chance. LTO was his best performance yet and conditions should suit.

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    raymo61raymo61
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    Am I going mad?

    I think CORONET could be a huge price for this at 10/1 !! She has ran twice at Ascot with a win and a third and to be honest I think when she was third the soft ground may have been against her.
    Peslier has ridden her before so will know her to a certain degree and admittedly on official ratings she has to find about seven or eight pounds but she ran well in France on ground softer than she likes and only just got beat. So at tens I think she may be a bit of value because surely not all of AOB’s will turn up and maybe not even Cracksman will either which could make my 10/1 seem a good each way price.

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