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  • #1359824
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Looks likely Cracksman is out

    https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/cracksman-to-swerve-king-george/149855

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I’ve just had a pound each way on Rostropovich at 50/1 with Boylesports. He’s roughly around 16’s everywhere else

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    I think any slight chance of seeing Cracksman at Ascot is now gone with Dettori’s 10 day ban ruling him out of that meeting plus Goodwood.

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    Well, he can’t ride Enable and Cracksman in the Arc…so, this race might be an opportunity for another jockey to get to know Cracksman

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    Rab Havlin is the most obvious replacement for Dettori on Cracksman , having rode the colt to victory on its racecourse debut at Newmarket .

    Not that it will matter much , as Crystal Ocean will take the world of beating at Ascot .

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    This race just got interesting…AOB says Kew Gardens likely to go here next.

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    Looks like being a rather competitive renewal without having a real standout star – Crystal Ocean most likely winner as I think Poet’s Word is not as strong a stayer at 12F.

    Will be interesting to see who gets the leg up on CO as I would assume Moore will be claimed for Kew Gardens if he runs.

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    LD73, will both go there considering they are trained by Stoute?

    I actually think Poet’s Word has shaped in many of his 1m2 races like 1m4 would be better….

    He’s also won over 1m4 on soft…

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    Two different connections so I don’t see why they wouldn’t run both and the only other option for PW would be to wait for the Juddmonte which is towards the end of August and from Stoute’s point of view having two darts is better than one.

    Think PW is a quicker horse this year than he was last year and at Ascot he didn’t look like another 2F would suit as he wasn’t putting any more distance into Cracksman in the last 1F and at Meydan he looked the most likely winner 2F out but seemed to be outstayed by Hawkbill.

    The one thing that may play into his hands was if the didn’t go a strong pace from the start, I think he would have a better turn of foot than CO does but off a strong gallop I could see CO wearing him down in the last 1F.

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    This looks quite a bland looking Group 1 with Cracksman an unlikely runner. Crystal Ocean should be one to take on, in my opinion, at 13/8.

    I like ROSTROPOVICH at a double-figure price. His form on better ground this year reads:

    1st – Listed race
    2nd – Group 2
    2nd – Group 1

    He seems likely to take his chance. LTO was his best performance yet and conditions should suit.

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    Am I going mad?

    I think CORONET could be a huge price for this at 10/1 !! She has ran twice at Ascot with a win and a third and to be honest I think when she was third the soft ground may have been against her.
    Peslier has ridden her before so will know her to a certain degree and admittedly on official ratings she has to find about seven or eight pounds but she ran well in France on ground softer than she likes and only just got beat. So at tens I think she may be a bit of value because surely not all of AOB’s will turn up and maybe not even Cracksman will either which could make my 10/1 seem a good each way price.

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    Coronet is not without a chance Raymo. A bit to find on form but Poets Word and Crystal Ocean haven’t had exactly startling successes, with the former beating a Cracksman who hasn’t lived up to his progress last autumn and Crystal Ocean ended up having a straight-forward task at Royal Ascot.

    I like Coronet’s York win, where the 2nd, 3rd and 4th have all won since and she was close behind Waldgeist next time.

    Cracksman was probably cursed the day I backed him for this at 4/1 and he won’t turn up here. That leaves the Stoute pair and O’Brien dominating the entries.

    Kew Gardens was my potential “Coup” of the season at 6/1 for the Lingfield Derby trial but I don’t think he got the best of rides in behind Knight To Behold. The bird had flown by time Moore got going and the colt looked one-paced there and again in the Derby itself. The pattern has changed now, with Nelson being employed as the sacrificial lamb the last twice and Kew Gardens has pounced off the pace set that ensured that Kew Gardens had a strong gallop to come from behind and pick them up. Of course it also ensured that Nelson had no chance to run to his true potential and that makes the argument for coupling them for betting purposes.

    Waldgeist was a bit disappointing at 3YO but he has steadily gone Gp3, Gp2 and then finally getting the G1 last time, albeit by a short head from Coronet, who re-opposes. He may be capable of further improvement.

    Bateel has been consistent and I was gutted the day she went down to Hydrangea last season. The O’Brien filly had been generally disappointing up to that point and seemed to take a good step forward that day to win. Bateel reappeared with a win when conceding weight but she has seemed better on soft ground.

    Given Hydrangea’s performance at 12F it seemed odd to drop her back to a mile this year. Her first run was behind Opal Tiara, a disappointing sort who was given credit for running better due to being in foal. Jason Weaver mentioned this before her run behind Alpha Centauri but whatever feel good factor there was did not show up as she ran 7th of 7, some 25 lengths back of the winner. Hydrangea herself went on to disappoint next time as favourite for the Duke Of Cambridgeshire, when only 8th of 11 behind Aljazzi. I will pass on her back up in trip in this company.

    Not sure I’ll bet this one at all but I expect Coronet to do best of the fillies, Kew Gardens to be be best of O’Brien’s with Nelson setting it up for him.

    My Lay bet would be Poet’s Word. I think that was an awful Prince Of Wales he won. Cracksman was off colour and the 3rd, 4th and 5th have all been unreliable/problem horses in Hawkbill, Cliff Horse Moher and Eminent. They have all been beaten again since and nothing has won from Poet’s Voice’s earlier odds-on win either. I prefer Crystal Ocean by a fair way.

    I expect Kew Gardens and Crystal Ocean to be staying on strongest to fight this out.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Waldgeist unlikely to feature now too. Unfortunately, even though the race is shaping like it might pay well to take an early opinion on it, i am finding it hard to just yet.

    Whilst Coronet is 10s and could potentially shorten due to NRs, i don’t think her win at York was up to much, the fillies in there weren’t great.

    Rostroprovich actually could be interesting if he ventured over here. I know someone stuck him up earlier in the thread..

    I’ve always liked Poet’s Word and i have always thought 1m4 would be his best trip, but Steve has a point his form isn’t exactly bulletproof + he’s 2/1.

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    Three horse race for me.
    Crystal Ocean Vs Poets Word Vs The Field.
    Middle of the three my probable main bet if prices remain similar to today.

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    #1361001
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    Cliffs of Moher was beaten considerably further by PW than he was by CO this season. Take Cracksman out of The POW and it’s a demolition job.

    Have a decent antepost on PW at 4’s, think he’s the most likely winner and still a touch of value at 2’s. Will be interesting to see who goes off favourite of the Stoute pair, the market vibes certainly more positive for PW as the week goes on.

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    @Pants

    I wouldn’t trust Cliff Horse Moher as a yardstick at all.

    He’s not consistent in my mind.

    When he ran behind Crystal Ocean, he earned a RPR of 114 but against Poet’s Word they gave him running to 11 lbs lower on 103, his second worst run in his last six runs, with only his 5th of 5 behind Capri on seasonal debut rated lower by one pound on 102.

    I wouldn’t count on the form working out literally.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1361028
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    The clock backs up the POW win by PW, figure was good.

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