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Aye, Nathan. Juddmonte appear to have no problem meeting Cracksman in the King George and Oppenheimer seemed keen enough when raising it at Newmarket.
4s is now 5/2 from what I can see. Had half my max on in the end at 4/1 with the other half on him to win the Arc, topping up the 6/1 I took a few months ago.
I thinks it’s pretty likley that Cracksman runs in this. His owner used to sponsor the race and seemed to be pretty keen on winning it with Golden Horn until the weather intervened.
Tattersalls Gold Cup 27th May
Prince of Wales Stakes 20th June
King George 28th JulyThey’re beautifully spaced out.
Oh dear, the nonsense begins again.
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“Cracksman’s next port of call is likely to be the Tattersalls Gold Cup at the Curragh on May 27, before an intended appearance in the Prince of Wales’s Stakes at Royal Ascot.
His main midsummer target is the King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes back at Ascot in July.
Oppenheimer added: “That (Tattersalls Gold Cup) is the plan and then hopefully Royal Ascot, but he won’t go anywhere if the ground is firm. He can handle everything else. Good to firm or soft ground is not a problem for him.
“I would love to win the King George.””
Enable is out until at least August with a setback.
Cracksman is now 11/10 and Evens with Saxon Warrior 7/2. Saxon Warrior was 33/1 for this race last week. It just shows its worth a go at big odds sometimes.
As far as The Arc De Triomphe goes Cracksman is generally 5/2 now, while Saxon Warrior varies between 5’s and 10’s.
You can get 5/1 on Enable but I wouldn’t take those odds given that it’s likely Enable will just have 1 run before the Arc and if that fails she probably misses the race.
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7/2 seems a crazy price for Saxon Warrior. Last Derby winner AOB sent to this race was Galileo and I can’t even recall him running one of his numerous Epsom also-rans since then. I can’t see the likely presence of Cracksman tempting him to alter this pattern!
Surely 33/1 isn’t a silly price though. He was available at those odds last week.
It is 33/1 bar Cracksman and Saxon Warrior and I reckon Cracksman is great value at 11/10 still. He could be well odds on I feel.
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If they are targeting a Triple Crown bid I would have thought they would avoid a KG run and go Irish Derby then a break and then Voltiguer/Leger – given he is such a big horse a mid summer break (a la Cracksman) might be in his best interests.
I think his path is mapped out, isn’t it? The same as Camelot – Derby, Irish Derby, St Leger.
He needs to prove he stays the Derby trip first. The Leger is out the window if he doesn’t.
I hope he doesn’t go for the Triple Crown. I doubt a Leger adds much because it’s not really a Group 1 quality race in my opinion. It’s a treble that is rare but Nijinsky probably left his Arc back at Doncaster and I’d far prefer to see Saxon Warrior challenge Cracksman at Parislongchamp and prove himself there, than against slow 3YO’s in the Leger.
Having backed Cracksman to a full monty bet at 4/1, and advised others to do the same, I am not for the idea of Saxon Warrior turning up here. I just think in retrospect 33/1 looks massive now.
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“Surely 33/1 isn’t a silly price though. He was available at those odds last week”.
Agreed. All the same, I’d prefer the 10s on offer for the Arc as I think he’s got more chance of turning up there and I at least like to SEE my selections get beaten! Far from convinced that he’ll stay, or that he’ll beat Cracksman if he does though (even if they don’t ruin any chance he might have with a St Leger attempt)
I hope he doesn’t go for the Triple Crown
From what planet do you hail from sir? I hope you never come into contact with Mr Tabor.
I have never wanted to see a Triple Crown winner. The St Leger is a race for slow cuddies in my opinion. Some right old rubbish has landed the alleged “Classic” over the years and the race is pretty much shunned as an option for Derby winners these days.
Recent O’Brien Leger winners have run appallingly in the Arc anyway and with Saxon Warrior the St Leger trip is the best way of getting the horse beaten.
I can assure you I am on planet reality, whether Tabor is is the bigger question.
Fascinated with the Kentucky Derby he went there thinking he had a big chance with Mendelssohn. I, on the other hand can’t be bothered with US Racing in any aspect other than backing our horses in the turf events.
If Justify were to be compared to a human athlete it would be Michael Phelps, after the winning swim to the line at Churchill Downs.
Tabor is paying the money and can call the shots. That doesn’t make him a good judge about what is best for a horse though and his efforts in landing the Kentucky Derby have come to nothing yet again. Even his others who were originally aimed at Kentucky finished washed up in lower quality events.
So, no stray planets for me, I simply tell it the way I see it.
I have no reason to be against seeing Saxon Warrior lining up going for the triple crown because it would mean that he had landed the Epsom Derby, also landing my tickets at 33/1 and 66/1 to achieve that outcome.
I just don’t think the triple crown adds much to a horse in the modern era. I’d far rather see him go for the Arc with a chance of winning it, instead of falling short as Nijinsky did. The St Leger is a poor comparison to the Arc.
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I thought I’d take a look at this in the aftermath of Cracksman’s epic defeat in the Prince of Wales’ and am astounded that Corals have Masar at 12/1. Surely just a 1st 3 finish in the Eclipse and he’d head here with a fantastic chance.
Masar 12/1
Corals have cut Masar into 8/1 now.
At prices, I just wonder if Windstoss makes some e/w appeal at 40/1. I don’t think he was anywhere near his best at Epsom on the soft ground but still ran well to be within 4 lengths of Cracksman at the line. It was a quick surface on which he won last year’s German Derby so a return to similar conditions should suit and the German’s have a cracking recent record in this.
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