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It’s reported O’Brien wasn’t happy about the race.
I saw nothing wrong but perhaps the BOOM as Love’s bubble was burst and another O’Brien hotpot bites the dust.
Also I’m wondering if bin Suroor is becoming surplus to requirements at Godolphin as compared to Appleby he seems to be in very short supply of the better horses?
good luck to allGosden didn’t seen confident he,d really stay before the race , I reckon he,ll go back in distance , see you can 5s for the arc for Adayar , I’ve rewatched the race a few times , he must be a good horse to pull so early yet still finish so strongly , what does everyone think , if the 3 turn up who would fancy to win the arc
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“Or perhaps a drop down to G2 for the Prix Foy or something, as a warm up for the Arc?”
It would be the Prix Niel. The Foy is only for older horses.
I backed Love today but she had no excuse. Adayar won well and it was good to see a Derby winner win the King George again. It looked a quality performance at Epsom so it was good to see him back it up.
Adayar , I’ve rewatched the race a few times , he must be a good horse to pull so early yet still finish so strongly , what does everyone think , if the 3 turn up who would fancy to win the arc
I don’t think Frankel ever pulled any harder than this during his races. Watching Adayar pull hard and still deliver in great style kinda provides an inkling that, maybe, Frankel would’ve seen out the Derby trip and won it if he’d contested.
Reminded me of the 2001 version, when a top quality 12 furlong 3 year old outstayed a top quality 10 furlong older horse.
“Watching Adayar pull hard and still deliver in great style kinda provides an inkling that, maybe, Frankel would’ve seen out the Derby trip and won it if he’d contested.”
I understand why Frankel did not run in the Derby but if he had I have absolutely no doubt he would have won it. To my mind, there is absolutely no way that Pour Moi, Treasure Beach and Carlton House would have ever finished ahead of Frankel under any circumstances.
I feel the same about Frankel Cork All Star. I’ve always had the otherworldly feeling that the 2011 Derby result was the photo-finish for 2nd place.
Frankel would not have stayed the Derby distance and would not have won it. Henry Cecil knew it.
Why didn’t Nathaniel run in the Derby.?
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Gosden felt that the ground at Epsom for Nathaniel would be too fast. He also missed the Arc for the same reason.
“Frankel would not have stayed the Derby distance and would not have won it. Henry Cecil knew it.”
Controversial viewpoint time: Henry deliberately dodged the Derby.
Look at Frankel at two and in the Greenham. Did he look like a tearaway, a complete lunatic? Granted, he got lit up in the Dewhurst after a bump leaving the stalls but he looked perfectly amenable to restraint in all his other races.
The decision was made that he would have to go through his career unbeaten; to that end, the complete change in tactics in the Guineas, under the pretence that he could not be restrained, gave them the perfect excuse to avoid Epsom.
Had he been sent to Epsom and ridden as he had been in all his races before the Guineas, Frankel would have hacked up. I suspect that connections feared an El Gran Senor- style defeat and swerved the race deliberately.
Just my opinion.
I don’t think Frankel would have stayed myself but its all opinions, don’t forget they didn’t even try 10F with him until the Juddmonte of his 4yo season.
As far as the Adayar/Snowfall/Love debate. I’m of the opinion Love has run her race today and been firmly put in her place. Can’t see any excuses unless something comes to light. I mentioned beforehand her rating was a bit dubious – could have been a bit higher, could have been lower, she hadn’t before today beaten a colt of significant merit. Snowfall finds herself in the same boat, she’s achieved as much as Love in her Oaks wins i.e. winning impressively but beating fillies who wouldn’t warrant entering in the Arc. We won’t know until the Arc how good she is. Adayar has firmly confirmed his ability today if there were any doubts about his Derby win and provided he gets there in one piece and granted a favourable draw he should be going there as fav for me.
On Mishriff whom I backed. Run a cracker but can’t see a scenario where he beats the winner over 12F personally. I half pondered if they’d be better letting him bowl along in front or closer to the pace, he’s still plenty keen enough even when they try and hold him up.
“Controversial viewpoint time: Henry deliberately dodged the Derby”.
It isn’t controversial really. Connections did deliberately dodge the Derby. Due to his headstrong/exhuberant nature and being bred for shorter than 12f as it was viewed at the time.
“Due to his headstrong/exhuberant nature“
Which is was nowhere to be seen before the Guineas.
Anyway; we digress. Adayar is obviously a top-class colt- as I mentioned in the Arc thread, he reminds me a lot of the mighty Reference Point. Let’s hope that he fares better at Longchamp in October than did his illustrious predecessor.
Mishriff is fully capable of winning Group One races over a mile and a half if his conqueror today is absent; as for Love, she’s obviously a very good filly but clearly not a top-class one in the mould of Time Charter, Oh So Sharp, Zarkava, Treve, etc.
To be fair to reference point considering the physical issues and illness he had that season he performed wonders , I wouldn’t hold that arc run against him , I’m def going to be playing Adayar , I’m surprised he,s not shorter
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Reference Point finished lame in the Arc and was found to have had a foot abscess but considering he went Dante, Derby, Eclipse, King George, Great Voltiguer and then St Leger and front ran in all of those races, I think the Arc was also a step too far for him. It was a damn shame he had that sinus problem that caused him to miss the 2000g because the plan was always an attempt on the Triple Crown and he ended up winning 2 of the 3 races.
For me Adayar should have won the Classic Trial (he was given too much to do imho) and I thought he was a certainty for the Lingfield Derby Trial especially given the soft ground (which he hacked up on in his second start as a two year old) so that race really threw me when he got beat and I was pleasantly surprised by his Epsom performance where he showed a good turn of foot to go clear.
When he started pulling in the early stages of the KG I was worried he might use up too much energy so it was doubly impressive when he kicked with Mishriff and then galloped all the way through the line – I think the break after Epsom was the right call because he seems to have benefited from it both physically and mentally. Would have thought either the Voltiguer or the Neil and then the Arc will be logical next step, hopefully neither he nor Hurricane Lane go anywhere near Doncaster.
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