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7 December 2008
John Durkan Memorial Punchestown S’chase
(Grade 1) €65,000.00 ( 2m 4f – 5yo+ )[MAX 22]8p106 1 Ballistraw(143) (DHickey) – …………… 11,10
1-5p- 2 Cane Brake (TJTaaffe) – ………………. 11,10
1fupf 3 Clopf (EJO’Grady) – . ……………………. 11,10
14p2p 4 Conna Castle(142) (JJMangan) – …… 11,10
21512 5 Finger Onthe Pulse(144) (TJTaaffe) – …. 11,10
57-15 6 Hear The Echo(145) (MFMorris) – ….. 11,10
23pf2 7 Kicking King (TJTaaffe) – …………….. 11,10
0p4-4 8 Kill Devil Hill (PNolan) – . ……………… 11,10
p33p3 9 Mansony (FR)(159) (ALTMoore) – ….. 11,10
1f452 10 Mister Top Notch(158) (DEFitzgerald) – …11,10
-31f2 11 Natal (FR) (PFNicholls (in GB)) – . ….. 11,10
3b548 12 Newmill (JJMurphy) – …………………… 11,10
11321 13 Noland (GB) (PFNicholls (in GB)) – . . 11,10
46p92 14 One Cool Cookie(150) (CFSwan) – … 11,10
41405 15 Schindlers Hunt(158) (DTHughes) – … 11,10
710u4 16 Scotsirish(147) (WPMullins) – ……….. 11,10
-5443 17 Sky’s The Limit (FR)(140) (EJO’Grady) – … 11,10
s-542 18 Slim Pickings(147) (TJTaaffe) – …….. 11,10
33325 19 Snowy Morning(162) (WPMullins) – .. 11,10
3-154 20 The Listener (NMitchell (in GB)) – . … 11,10
41421 21 Thyne Again(146) (WJBurke) – . …….. 11,10
3/-11 22 War Of Attrition (MFMorris) – ……….. 11,10
47-31 23 Watson Lake(157) (NMeade) – ………. 11,10Should be a good race on Sunday week. Looks between War Of Attrition, Noland and Thyne Again, though The Listener could not be discounted if he could put in a similar performance to last years renewal.
Hope War Of Attrition wins personally. We badly need an Irish trained contender for the top 3 mile chases to take on the army of Paul Nicholls chasers. He’s shown in his two starts since his comeback that he still possesses his jumping ability and his enthusiasm for the game. If he was to put in an authoritive display here it would surely see him shorten in the Gold Cup market, especially given Kauto Star’s run on Saturday and the nagging doubts over Denman.
I feel he could be vulnerable to Noland and Thyne Again over this trip though. I’d imagine that Thyne Again will probably be a bigger price than Noland but there was only a neck between them in the Arkle and Thyne Again could not have been more impressive at Naas on his seasonal reappearance.
A great line up and will be tough to pick the winner from that lot although i don’t think Kicking King will be participating, unless he’s come out of retirement
.Thyne Again is the one I’m looking forward to seeing.
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I truly hope Thyne Again runs in this he was an amazing 33/1 with Betfair for the RyanAir days after he trotted up first time out. One of my favourite horses in training I couldn’t oppose him in my wildest dreams He was simply awesome the other day and looked bigger and stronger than ever.
I doubt if the distance will bother him as he was a big baby at Chelters last season………despite that fact he won very imressively over 2m4f
The Listener has a habit of bouncing back from bad runs and if he runs he would I agree be a huge danger on his best form.
When’s the betting out? I got an itchy finger
13 left in for Sunday. No Thyne Again unfortunately after he scoped badly yesterday. Mouse has confirmed War Of Attrition is on target to step up to grade 1 company after his comeback. Hopefully Noland will be making the trip over – should be interesting to see who rides him
.Paddy Power prices:
Noland 15/8
War Of Attrition 2/1
The Listener 9/2
Watson Lake 10/1
Mansony 10/1
Snowy Morning 14/1
Schindlers Hunt 14/1
Conna Castle 20/1
One Cool Cookie 20/1
Skys The Limit 25/1
Newmill 25/1
Cane Brake 40/1
Ballistraw 50/1It’s a shame Tyne Again wont be lining up. War of Attrition is a bit short to play imo, i wasn’t convinced he had much competition in his previous two wins and this race looks alot tougher and should give a truer reflection on how he has returned from his injury troubles, do hope he wins though.
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The front 2 are overrated I reckon. WOA has beaten trees since his comeback and Noland was left with nothing to beat the last day. If you could forgive The Listener his run at Down Royal he’d be favourite for this- might be worth taking the chance under his ideal conditions. I’ve had a bit of 5/1 with Victor.
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Totally agree Carv.
The Listener ran poorly in the same race last year before turning this race into a procession.
May be that he will be fav, come Sunday?I liked the look of Watson Lake on his reappearance at Navan after a long absence.
He jumped and travelled beautifully that day when giving away six pounds and a four length beating to Slim Pickings – who went on to fall 4 out in the Hennessey when seemingly full of running. With the improvement you’d expect to see from the 10yo, he could be in the mix and gets my vote e/w at 10’s.
Careful with Watson Lake, onthesteal – he is a bit of a dodgepot, and cannot really be trusted to give his running. Even though it doesn’t appear to be a very high-class renewal this year, I think 10’s is a skinny price given his profile, and at those kind of odds, I’ll be looking to place lay him myself.
I notice Mansony is 11/1 for this. I’m not his biggest fan, but he looks one of the few who can be relied upon to any appreciable extent in these conditions, and he comes here off the back of a sound reappearance where he just looked as though he needed the run. Arthur Moore’s desperate form would be my main concern.
I think the key to Watson is bossing small fields in very soft ground. He’s unlikely to get an easy lead with The Listener in the race.
Snowy Morning looks a bit big at 14s- intended runner according to today’s Post.Careful with Watson Lake, onthesteal – he is a bit of a dodgepot, and cannot really be trusted to give his running. Even though it doesn’t appear to be a very high-class renewal this year, I think 10’s is a skinny price given his profile, and at those kind of odds, I’ll be looking to place lay him myself.
A place lay! I couldn’t sit easy with that type of bet in a renewal like this one, as you say. The money’s already on i’m afraid. On the hopeful side, he has had his feet up for a long time so maybe he’s had time to reflect on his bad old ways.
The Listener may well p*ss him off.I was surprised The Listener wasn’t favourite for this. While it was a weaker race and he had the run of it to a certain extent, he was still devastating in this last year.
Was there much rain around Kildare today Carvill’s?Decent enough day today (even mowed the lawn!) but plenty of rain most days-it’ll be very testing on Sunday, guaranteed.
Even on his very best form, War of Attrition would find The Listener no pushover under Sunday’s conditions. Agree with reet and carvs that his price is a reaction to his defeat at Down Royal but at this stage and at current prices, I’m happy to put a line through it. Noland isn’t as easy to discount as there are valid reasons for thinking he can develop into a 160+ chaser this term, but even so he’s priced currently if he’s already there. The demise of Kicking King and the proximity of Rathgar Beau (stuffed in the 2 competitive races he’s run in this season but seemingly running to a figure in a couple of tin-pot trundles) tell you all you need to know about the strength of War of Attritions runs this year.
I have to row in with The Listener concensus on this one. He’s proven in the grade, at the course, over the trip on expected heavy ground. I’d forgive the last run, he was never an early season horse. My only concern is the trainer and whether he has the experience to handle a Grade 1 horse such as this. Will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
I reckon he only has Noland to beat. Noland is probably still on the upgrade but he looks a bit soft and he’s got very little pace. Possibly will develop into a decent Grade 2 animal but he’s well worth opposing with 9/2 about The Listener.
Cant see any value in War Of Attrition, he’s best form is years ago over furthur on better ground, carvills point about Watson Lake is well made and the rest dont look good enough.
Noland is progressive young horse.
Wind op appears to have helped him.Unfortunately The Listener has had his best days and we will see him in decline this term.
War OfAttrition has done very well to come back but this is a different kettle of fish.It will be stunning if he can pull it off.
For me,I’ll take a young progressive horse like Noland.
This is his trip at this stage of his career.
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