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I suspect you, the Racing Post and Simon Claisse may be the only ones who still think that the ground for the Gold Cup in 2006 was "good", rather than firmer.
Fair enough Marble,
I happen to think he’ll need 3m+ to be competitive in better company but sure the game would be very boring if we all had the same opinion.
IMO if WOA, KS, NC and Denman lined up in the Gold Cup and WOA was still 25-1, I would think WOA would be a decent e/w chance, as denman would set it up to play to his strengths.
Its a big statement but would think that the WOA that won the 2006 GC could have been placed in the 2008 one, despite it being rated far higher on the basis that Kauto Star Ran to form. Hopefully they all meet come march, so I can be proven wrong.
Beckster – you obviously have inside knowledge but nonetheless we have seen just the same races. My feeling (which may be wrong) is that he is neat and tidy but he doesn’t seem the sort who will take a length or two out of the field at his fences.
I’ve no idea what "he goes of ay stride" means so i can’t really comment on that.
I can’t have the mistake giving him more rev Becks. That’s taking positive thinking too far – if that’s the case it’s pointless doing any schooling as blundering through 12 fences will give more rev than just one
NO i presume its meant that basically if listener or woa had run strong a;long a bit further then nobby wouldent have gone up front so soon hope that makes sence x
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I’m amazed how well WoA ran under the circumstances today and, given better ground and further (Which he’s always needed) is well capable of winning gd1 chases – if not Gold Cups.
He has been something of a revelation this season, and on today’s showing wouldn’t be all that far off his previous best, all things considered.Beckster – you obviously have inside knowledge but nonetheless we have seen just the same races. My feeling (which may be wrong) is that he is neat and tidy but he doesn’t seem the sort who will take a length or two out of the field at his fences.
I’ve no idea what "he goes of ay stride" means so i can’t really comment on that.
yes i should say so i work for the owners and we have him home and get semi fit b4 going to paul, and goes of any stride means exacrly what u say he cant take a lengh or two? means he can jump close or far from the fence
Having seen the race, i think it was a good enough run from War of Attrition, he ideally wants further, so finishing 5/6 lengths behind Noland and The Listener isn’t such a bad thing, at a distance which is more preferable to the 2 fore-mentioned rather than War of Attrition.
He didn’t jump fluently at the last and to be honest that stopped his momentum slightly, he wouldnt have gotten to the front 2, but he may have finished closer.
The Listener jumped very big and bold during the race, apart from the 3rd last i think it was. His jumping was better than Nolands in my opinion.
WhileI backed thewinner bigtime was I wrong about the Listener what?
Brilliant stuff Beckie congrats!!! but guys why are you chopping up War of Attritions run………This wasn’t his race and as his jockey said loud and clear whatever happened the Gold Cup is all that is important…..
WAO’s Gold Cup may not have been the best and may well be one of the worst but nonetheless he is a gold cup winner……should he go to chelters fit and well he’ll still be running while othershave cried enough
Back to Noland.excellent performance and hopefully more to come
thank u fof, i think woa is a super horse but cant quite understand y all this gold cup compared in with 2day counts? no1 will take his gcup away from him/
Some sectionals for the leaders at various junctures in the three 2½m chases today (time, in seconds, at 1st; win post first circuit, i.e. between 4th and 5th; 8th; 11th; 13th; 15th, i.e last; line):
John Durkan: 15.0; 79.4; 165.1; 219.1; 268.7; 304.6; 321.6.
Handicap: 16.1; 83.9; 170.8; 226.6; 277.0; 313.8; 329.5
Maiden: 15.4; 84.1; 170.9; 225.4; 277.9; 315.3; 332.8.What would your conclusion be from the above regarding the pace of the JD Pru? A superficial analysis would seem to support my argument that Daryl Jacobs went a bit fast early, considering he had gained 7.5 secs on the handicap by your fourth checkpoint yet the finishing time was only 7.9 secs ahead?
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“…Surely it would be no surprise to anyone if War of Attrition won this. He has won or been placed in almost ever race he has ran in. He seems past the comeback stage having once twice from 2 runs.
He’s obviously enjoying his racing again and he’s done more than any other horse in the race. Off level weights I think he’ll take all the beating in the world.
Noland obviously must go close but he ended up being disappointing last season and I think of the 2 he’s the dodgier bet. He doesn’t come across as the worldbeater PN said he was going to be and he looked his usual self on his return this season…..Once again Ruby found himslf having to push and shove to get him going and that worries me…”
Is that the thinking that saw you ‘back the winner big time’, Fists?
The b*llshit merchant strikes again.
“…Surely it would be no surprise to anyone if War of Attrition won this. He has won or been placed in almost ever race he has ran in. He seems past the comeback stage having once twice from 2 runs.
He’s obviously enjoying his racing again and he’s done more than any other horse in the race. Off level weights I think he’ll take all the beating in the world.
Noland obviously must go close but he ended up being disappointing last season and I think of the 2 he’s the dodgier bet. He doesn’t come across as the worldbeater PN said he was going to be and he looked his usual self on his return this season…..Once again Ruby found himslf having to push and shove to get him going and that worries me…”
Is that the thinking that saw you ‘back the winner big time’, Fists?
The b*llshit merchant strikes again.
Haha I did wonder this as I remember Beckster having to pull him up on ‘slagging off one of their horses again’
That would seem to be the case, carv.
I am more used to times from 3 out over jumps, expressed as a % of overall times. Noland’s was 16.45%; Kilcrea Castle’s was 15.93%; Joncol (who came from 7 lengths back) was 16.07%. A couple of races at the trip earlier this season resulted in figures of 15.72% and 14.88%.
Noland was finishing slower – compared to his overall time – than is customary of winners at this course and trip, in other words. And the discrepancy seems to be almost entirely down to the much quicker pace in the first half of the race.
WoA was getting beaten in these sorts of races before the injury so all in all I think its been a very credible comeback especially as connections seemed very pessimistic about how long he’d last before breaking down again.
If he’s there in March on decent ground, I think he’ll run a gallant race without troubling the principles…
Well done Beckster, smashing horse!
“…Surely it would be no surprise to anyone if War of Attrition won this. He has won or been placed in almost ever race he has ran in. He seems past the comeback stage having once twice from 2 runs.
He’s obviously enjoying his racing again and he’s done more than any other horse in the race. Off level weights I think he’ll take all the beating in the world.
Noland obviously must go close but he ended up being disappointing last season and I think of the 2 he’s the dodgier bet. He doesn’t come across as the worldbeater PN said he was going to be and he looked his usual self on his return this season…..Once again Ruby found himslf having to push and shove to get him going and that worries me…”
Is that the thinking that saw you ‘back the winner big time’, Fists?
The b*llshit merchant strikes again.
“hopefully someday AD will latch on to the fact that 19th Century technology moved us from quil-and-ink to mechanized data entry. “
-FoF comments on a contradictive Alistair Down…Let me know if you need any ink Fists
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