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The trouble in the early stages & middle part of RJ’s race was really about luck, or the lack of it, in running. No direct fault of J.Egan, except that you would hope a professional jockey would be able to avoid trouble in a slow run race over 12f with five runners.
The issue for me was when they turned for home. Royal Jet & J.Egan were trying hard on the home turn. The commentator said RJ was interfered with early in the straight, it looked a bit tight to me, but imo at that stage, the horse or the jockey were not putting it all in for some reason.
A head on replay may show I’m being a bit harsh, but it didn’t look good coming up the straight, RJ had something left, he finished fairly well in the last 100 yards.
Sorry Colin,
I’m not convinced. Just a hard-luck story to me – with the flak being thrown at the jockey, due to his past history. If Eddie Aherne had been on board – it would have been ‘poor Eddie, poor Eddie’
Sailing Shoes,
You may well be right on this one, I know no more than you, it’s all about interpretation. My experiences are similar to those of Rory though.
Take the previous race Royal Jet was in at Lingfield. Ridden by J.Egan again, a stronger looking race, with six runners. RJ was backed near the off from something like 13/2 into 4/1. Trust me, this horse was never going to get beat that day, & Egan made sure of it. (not that I knew anything)
I can think of dozens of similar examples to yesterday, but I’d better not dig myself too deep a hole here.
It may be a trainer thing as well ?
As with most things in gambling then, it’s trying to second the guess the trainers intentions. Not easy, but part and parcel IMO.
Egan’s past history certainly plays a part in this.
Sailing Shoes, your comment about trying to second guess the trainers intentions are very apt. Not just the trainer but the connections and the people who pay the bills. Not always the registered owner.
Have just watched the race on ATR.com.
Ultimately, whether something ‘untoward’ has occurred, I wouldn’t like to speculate.
Fundamentally, it was a really poor ride and I can understand the grievances of people who backed Royal Jet.
It underlined why I rarely have a bet at Lingfield;
1. There’s often bad luck in running.<br>2. Im not convinced that the majority of races are ‘straight’.
But that’s only my nagging doubt, which stops me from betting. I could be altogether wrong.
Anzum,
Do you agree though that it was the lack of pace in the race that caused the ride to look bad.
Surely if they had gone a decent gallop all the way with the runners spread out, this thread probably wouldn’t have even been started?
In my opinion and I’m no specialist on racing at Lingfield, regardless of the lack of pace in the race, Egan continually got himself boxed in. Surely he could have switched the horse; indeed the lack of pace would have allowed him to do that without losing ground.
Simply, it was a poor ride. On the counter-side, Egan’s won some good races on horses I’ve backed. I just feel if I’d have backed Royal Jet, I would have been absolutely furious because as a punter you wouldn’t have received what you perceived to be a ‘run for your money’.
He is a totla disgrace. He makes no secret of the fact that he pulls horses…And stays getting away with it whick=h is a disgrace..Then they penalise Fallon…Just because he is in Ireland!!
Hi all
John Egan knows exactly what he is doing.  Last time on Royal Jet he kicked on 2out and gave the horse a good few cracks with the whip.  On Saturday he totally played into the hands of Kames Park, and did he even have his whip with him.
Did Mick Channon give him a pat on the back?
Rory on Sunday I had Chicken Soup on my lips, I know what<br>you me.
The flip side of all this is that we should be able to profit from our knowledge.  Although it’s somewhat distasteful.
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Sailing Shoes, where do you stand on the integrity of racing and the jockeys currently facing charges?
The only conclusion one can draw from seeing a poor ride is just that ~ it’s impossible to judge intention unless something really blatant happens. However, when you start to see a pattern of poor riding allied to betting patterns suggesting that the horses in question won’t win, then you have to take notice. I’m not specifically referring to John Egan’s weekend rides, but to the fact that we see an apparent inconsistency of performance from capable jockeys which often happens to coincide with market expectation.
Wallace,
The integrity of racing as a whole is something I take quite lightly considering its massive media attention.
Corruption will always be there, and If a trainer or owner wants a horse stopped, and if it is a blatant abuse of the rules – I expect the appropiate action to be taken.
Having said that, horses that are running under the wrong conditions or the race pans out wrong (what I believe happened to Royal Jet) then this is all part of the puzzle that us as punters have to take on board when deciding the long-term plans of a horse.
I’m sure a few owners on here will tell you how difficult it is to actually get a horse to win a race – nevermind stopping them!
I believe racing as a whole is as straight as it will ever be.
In respect of John Egans ride on Royal Jet – I don’t think it was the best ride he could have given the horse, but I equally think he couldn’t have done much else to improve the improve situation when the major incident a furlong and a half out happened.
I much prefer the way our races are run – than those trap to wire, all about time events that they have on the other side of the pond, even if it makes it 100 times more difficult to predict the outcome! :biggrin:
(Edited by Sailing Shoes at 1:42 pm on Mar. 26, 2007)
Sailing Shoes<br>With the internet and mobile phone info travels fast.<br>Take just one section of the racing industry, the owner.<br>If intentions are clear, and the horse is ‘on’ or ‘off’, family and friends are told.<br>Those at the nub end still do not realise how wide and far this news travels, and how damaging it is with regard to the way racing is viewed by those who are ‘in the know’ but do not wish to profit from their knowledge
I have no problem with owners telling anyone there horse is trying.
If the integrity of racing is to upheld – No horse should ever be ‘not off’. IMO, if anyone is found guilty of the non-triers rule, they should be punished as is the norm, but if anyone also profits financially from the run, they should be warned off.
Sailing Shoes, I thought you may have been on the side that says “it never happens and racing is straightâ€ÂÂ
Quote: from Wallace on 2:52 pm on Mar. 26, 2007[br] The worst case I saw was horse odds-on to win a bad AW race that had been galloped flat out for about 2 miles in the morning before going to the track in the afternoon.  This horse missed the break, slow away had trouble in running and ran on when the race was over.
That is about as bad as it gets IMO, and I would glady pull the rug from under there feet!
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