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According to The Daily Mail, Ed Milliband is the one who destroyed the UK economy!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11397083/ROSS-CLARK-caused-damage-British-economy-Ed-Miliband.htmlPlease discuss in a civilised and gentlewomanly manner!
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysBest re-elect the Tories again, then, just in case Ed and that awful Labour crew are even worse.
We hear it a lot – “just imagine how terrible it would have been if Labour had won in 2019!”
Corbyn and McDonald were off their socialist rockers with that manifesto, but even they would have had to go some to get the country in the mess it is now.
And Starmer ain’t no Corbyn.
I long for a really boring humourless moderate safe and honest pair of hands PM.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well lockdown would have been longer and applied more stringently. That would not have helped.
Well lockdown would have been longer and applied more stringently. That would not have helped.
In your opinion.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysChina seems to be in permanent lockdown but it doesn’t seem to have damaged their economy.
“Well lockdown would have been longer and applied more stringently. That would not have helped.”
It might have helped some of the people in care homes who died after all those fellow Covid residents were sent from hospital back in among them all.
The bloke responsible is currently getting £400,000 off ITV for absconding from his £80,000 a year job for a few weeks.
Lovely world we live in, isn’t it?
No one can tell me even mad old Corbyn could have managed to be worse for the country than Hancock et al were.
Hancock and the government got away with it at the time because death only affects the dead (and their families).
But the government has messed up the economy and that affects everyone.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Good job we took back control; just in time to make a complete and utter Horlicks of it all.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysOver time there are a number of MPs who should never have been allowed the role and the decision making.
That’s at the heart of what we want, sensible decision making and it does not matter about cons, Lab or whatever, voting for these two just hasn’t worked for well over 100 years.
Net Zero. It would be interesting if the public had a vote on this one to gauge the appetite.
“Good job we took back control; just in time to make a complete and utter Horlicks of it all”
In a nutshell Purwell
Yep, we needed someone to see this through.
Someone from the ERG should have been in charge.‘It might have helped some of the people in care homes who died after all those fellow Covid residents were sent from hospital back in among them all.’
I thought that happened at the start when there attention was mainly on siphoning off billions to their cronies or am I wrong?
Not necessarily, John and I agree with some of that.
There have been plenty of hopeless Labour ministers in the past, but I’m struggling to think of a shower of quite so inept, self-serving, people in government as in this one.
I’ve never been a Tory, but at least in the past my “i” problem with Tory ministers was usually about ideology, not integrity.
Take Hancock – the lowest of the low for me.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Well lockdown would have been longer and applied more stringently. That would not have helped.”
Agreed. Starmer and the LDs were against more freedoms last December (’21) when Omicron was rife. In fact, they disgracefully refused to believe the stats coming out of South Africa, BUT Javid, Boris, Rishi DID believe the data from SA and England had much less restrictions than Wales or Scotland for Christmas ’21 and into the New Year.
And Ian said:
“It might have helped some of the people in care homes who died after all those fellow Covid residents were sent from hospital back in among them all.”This was a joint policy, agreed by PHE, the NHS and government.
This from the BMJ (a weekly peer-reviewed medical trade journal, published by the trade union the British Medical Association), reported June 2021:We already know that official guidance from Public Health England, NHS England, and the Department of Health and Social Care, published in March and April 2020, actively encouraged rapid discharge of hospital patients to care homes without waiting for tests, until publication of the covid social care action plan on 15 April 2020 after a negative reaction from the care home sector, residents’ families, and some clinicians.
The focus on rapid discharge of patients from acute hospital beds into community facilities or their own homes was justifiable in the context of an early novel pandemic with extremely limited testing capacity (and recent harrowing experiences of overwhelmed hospitals in other countries), if misguided in hindsight. But NHS clinicians, managers, executives, and senior leaders contributed to making these decisions as much as any politicians.
Very selective Wilts. From the same report
“And many care home outbreaks were seeded not by hospital discharges but by staff who
were infected without knowing it, or were unable to self-isolate, or worked on multiple
sites.(15 16) Hancock and other ministers played down all of this publicly—and, if Cummings
is to be believed, privately too.It must be great being able to be in power for 12 years, yet anything that goes wrong is absolutely always someone else’s fault.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"If i’d have quoted the whole report BigG my post would’ve taken up a whole page in here
Actually, i didnt need to quote any of the report because it was widely reported at the time (March/April ’20), and admitted at the time by the NHS and the then-PHE that it was a joint decision. It was NEVER a sole decision by Hancock and his dept.
Just as the dreadful, death-ridden slogan “Stay home, Dont bother the NHS” was likely responsible for c10k deaths in first 3 months of covid, as peeps literally suffocated at home, relatives calling 999, on the victim’s behalf, when it was too late.
There’s plenty of space Wilts. It was relevent what you wrote,in
as much as Handcock had plenty around him when a decision was made.
I’ve been at meetings where what the boss said stood, and Hancock was
the Health Secretary. Perhaps some did agree, some not, but there’s
always a “group agreement”. That’s Hancock’s cover.The final paragraph of the reports …….
“The real story of care homes and covid in the first wave was not so much the melodrama or
mystery reported after Cummings’s incendiary evidence, as a farce of brazen denial and a
tragedy for the care homes and their residents.Make of that what you will, but thousands of elderly people died when they shouldn’t
have, and family were kept away from dying relatives whilst NO 10 was whooping it up.It’s indefensible.
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