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Coolmore is a business, Godolphin isn’t.
This confers both advantages and disadvantages.
If Godolphin is now being run more like a business – even though it isn’t under pressure to make a profit – and making more pragmatic strategic decisions (like not longer refusing to use a manifestly-successful stallion – who is dead now anyway – simply because it’s not theirs), that alters the arena.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I would say that within the space of five minutes we had our answer.
Never write that lot off.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Will Coolmore / Ballydoyle still have plenty of winners?
Of course, YesWill Coolmore / Ballydoyle still have as many winners as they used to / a “domination“?
Probably NotValue Is EverythingHe’s still operating at 20% this season, 5 year average is 21%….so not all that bad.
Clearly had a bad spell recently, but can’t all operations have one?
The galileo question is the one they’ll have to overcome, but with their broodmare band, they’ll have every chance.
Gosden’s are having a torrid season in comparison- and if you consider he’s normally top of the pops in the UK, Godolphin have basically just replaced him as the dominant operation over there in the mean time.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Plus Andrew balding having a great season. Gosden doesn’t have good horses coming through either.
AOB’s overall strike rate may be the same as usual, Jack; but for me, “domination” of racing primarily means the top Group 1 grade. AOB’s record in British Group 1’s over the years has been absolutely magnificent. But so far he’s had only 6 British Group 1 victories in 2021. Mother Earth.s 1000 Guineas, Snowfall’s Oaks, Love’s Prince Of Wales, St Marks Beailica’s Eclipse, again Snowfall in the Yorkshire Oaks and Tenebrism’s Cheveley Park… And – perhaps importantly for the future – only 1 of those 6 St Marks’ being a colt. From memory I don’t believe they’ve had as many Group 1 placed either.
Value Is EverythingOh yeah GT i don’t dispute it’s been a weird year for him- even his early travels over the water with his “testers” were terrible in the main.
However, the likes of Wembley going from never being beaten more than 1.5ls in a race to never getting closer 8.25ls as a 3yo is very weird. Van Gogh similarly hasn’t really gone forward from 2. Nor Battleground. Now i get none of them demonstrated they would be unbeatable at 3, but you’d have expected one of them to progress at least a little bit. Personally think it’s just a year were a lot has gone wrong.
With Galileo gone it’s clear there are questions to answer, never mind the weird year they’ve had, but if there’s any outfit to do overcome it, we know they are the guys…
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Well, there we go, they’re going to breed all those daughters of Galileo mares to St Mark’s Basilica, who is himself out of a Galileo mare. I can see their logic here, two half-Galileos must be equal to one Galileo. Problem solved.
A concern would be that the injury that forced him to miss York has flared up again and they are saying it could have been part of the reason why he hung so badly right in the Irish Champion……is that a physical weakness in his make up?
A lot could be riding on what he and Wotton Bassett do at stud for them as the likes of Camelot & Australia whilst successful to an extent haven’t really hit the heights the boys were no doubt hoping they would at stud and they also have a lot of younger stallions (Churchill, Circus Maximus, Ten Sovereigns & Sottsass etc) that have yet to really hit the ground……..could the next few years be a watershed period for the organisation?
O’Brien has described St Mark’s Basilica as “possibly the best horse we have ever had.”
Maybe my memory is playing tricks but doesn’t he say something like that every time a Group 1 winning colt gets retired?
All good advertising anyway. No doubt the lads will be pleased when next season’s stud fees start rolling in.
And because Coolmore are bloodstock advertisers with them, the Racing Post is complicit in this almost annual ritualised nonsense.
It makes a realist sound like a misery guts, but no way can a colt who never even hit an OR of 130 be either a “superstar” nor the most important horse retired since Galileo.
They will be saying the exact same thing about Luxembourg or whoever their next G1-winning 3yo is when retired to the breeding shed.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well, there we go, they’re going to breed all those daughters of Galileo mares to St Mark’s Basilica, who is himself out of a Galileo mare. I can see their logic here, two half-Galileos must be equal to one Galileo. Problem solved.
Yes- here’s Aidan’s take on it:
“On St Mark’s Basilica’s being an alternative to Galileo lines, he said: “You can’t go back to a Galileo mare with him, but one generation removed, he can go back. So the likes of Snowfall, who is out of a Galileo mare, by Deep Impact, she will be able to go back to him. Once it is one generation away, you can go back. That is what makes him so exciting.”So what Aidan is saying is that you can’t shag your auntie but you can shag your cousin. SMB and Snowfall are cousins as Galileo is the grandsire of both. Galileo is, of course, the most famous grandson of Northern Dancer and Galileo’s dam Urban Sea is a granddaughter of Mr Prospector, who is a cousin of Northern Dancer via Native Dancer.
The Galileo mare that SMB is out of, Cabaret, is herself out of Witch of Fife, a great granddaughter of Northern Dancer. SMB’s sire Pivotal is a great grandson of Northern Dancer and his dam Sichilla is a great granddaughter of Northern Dancer. Sichilla is also a great granddaughter of Mr Prospector.
Snowfall’s sire Deep Impact is out of a great granddaughter of Northern Dancer. The Galileo mare that Snowfall is out of, Best In The World, is herself out of Red Evie who is a great granddaughter of both Northern Dancer and Mr Prospector.
The Racing Post journo’s preface to Aidan’s comment “On St Mark’s Basilica’s being an alternative to Galileo lines…”is nonsensical. SMB is Galileo lines. The expression “lines” always annoys me anyway. Pedigrees aren’t nice straight lines, they’re a web.
O’Brien has described St Mark’s Basilica as “possibly the best horse we have ever had.”
Oh what a tangled web we weave/ When first weflatterpractice to deceive.Aiden is like the little boy who cried wolf – I have been taking so many pinches of salt listening to this rinse and repeat spiel from him about nearly every horse he has that my sodium levels are off the charts.
SMB was a very good horse but form wise not many of his races actually stand close scrutiny, his French 2000g win has seen only 3 winners come from it (2 conditions races and one listed race), the French Derby has seen only two G3 winners come from it, in the Eclipse Mishriff by his trainers own admission was clearly not fully wound up after a 2 month break and Addeybb really needs soft ground to perform at his best and he was also coming into the race off a 3 month break. The Irish Champion whilst simply a cracking horse race lets face it he was taking on two rivals that were running over a trip 2F too short (Tarnawa) and a 2F too long (Poetic Flare).
I could name a few O’Brien horses that imho were better than SMB without much thought, so cheers to another pinch of salt Aiden.
I’m sure aiden is on autopilot when talking about stallions. SMB is a hugely exciting prospect and his eclipse demolition has been hugely underrated. You can never predict how horses will do as stallions but I’d say with his speed and the galileo stamina he is the ideal modern stallion. I still think Camelot will deliver a lot of group one winners as will caravaggio and Churchill. It could well be coolmores success could be spread between stallions and of course the fabulous talent they have in the galileo broodmare.
For me, the sad thing about all this is St Mark’s Basilica is a decent three-year-old colt who attained an OR of 127 and won five consecutive Group 1 races.
But by hyping him up into some sort of superstar – the best thing since Galileo and basically making out he’s something he’s not – all of his actual achievements get lost as racing’s realists have no option but to react against the hype.
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