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    FinalFurlong91
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    With the likes of frankel, kingman and other rising stallions are the rest finally starting to catch up with ballydoyle?

    It is certainly starting to go that way imo, obviously they will still win their fair share but its no longer the domination that they had a few years back

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    Probably not, but I enjoyed seeing the winners of this week’s 2yo races come from four different yards.

    Any sport loses appeal over time without genuine competition.

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    We can but hope. Certainly good to see non-Coolmore bred horses doing well. Still doesn’t seem to be any obvious heir to Galileo but I daresay they will buy one if it comes to it

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    They went out on a limb to get hold of two the Triple Crown winners and will he hoping that Justify delivers for them as American Pharoah has made no more than a fair start. I’m a fan of the way Bill Oppenheim assesses stallions, measuring by the percentage of foals or/and runners that go on to achieve a certain rating as opposed to Stakes winners which can be a bit misleading with the explosion in the number of pattern races worldwide.You can do own versions such as the percentage that reach an OR of 105, 110 or whatever,as so many stallions have such large crops that they will invariably get some decent performers but appear better than they are. I don’t think Australia is as good as he may appear ( Richie Ricci sent a couple of mares to him last year!), and Camelot is pricey at 60,000. Gleneagles has not exactly set the world alight and they’ll be keeping their fingers crossed for a better start from Churchill.

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    Buying bafferts drugged up horses may not have been a good idea

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    If financial investment 100% guaranteed success in sport, all the skill – and occasional glorious uncertainty – would be lost, along with all but the most well-heeled investors in it.

    In football, we occasionally see giant killers – mainly in isolated FA Cup ties, but sometimes in League football too.

    And IMO it was really good to see an array of different owners and trainers winning the 2yo races at Ascot this week.

    IMO, both Coolmore and the Maktoum investment – while obviously good for their employees and breeders as they inflated bloodstock prices and for their employees – have damaged racing as an overall spectacle enormously.

    Without them horses would still have been bred, racing would still have occurred as it did prior to their arrival, and outright racehorse ownership would have been affordable to a lot more people.

    Here is an isolated glimpse of what racing looked like prior to Coolmore and the Maktoums – for me it was all so much more varied and colourful then.

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    There was always going to come a period when Galileo stopped dominating and as has been said coolmore have bought quite a few to try and cover his eventual retirement. I’ve a feeling Wooten Bassett could be their shrewdest purchase for a long time. Remember coolmore had danehill then along came Galileo. John magnier has shown himself to incredibly shrewd at the breeding pedigrees but he can’t get it right all of the time. Probably the most unlikely horse could be the next big thing. War front wasn’t a star by any stretch and he’s been excellent, gGenuinely pleased that it’s been spread around. Just remember that coolmore have won five classics so while not dominating are still winning many top prizes and hit the bar a few times this week. Aidens horses do have a great knack of bouncing back after poor runs.

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    Very good point regards pre coolmore and maktoum domination. Godolphin far away from the force they were so maybe it will be a more even spread of prizes going forward.

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    No.

    #1546969
    FinalFurlong91
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    They are certainly mopping up in France

    Looks a particularly poor group of French 3yo colts and fillies

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    Avatar photoThe Tatling Cheekily
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    Won 3/4 Classics in France.
    Won 1/2 Classics in Ireland.
    Won 2/4 Classics in England.

    Looks quite dominant to me.

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    Is Coolmore’s domination over? No
    Are there signs of it coming to an end? Yes.
    Coolmore must be extremely frustrated that with all their Galileo’s it was the Juddmonte owned Frankel who hit the heights and seems Galileo’s natural successor. Vast majority of the top sires are not by Galileo anyway. Indeed Coolmore don’t really have another top sire waiting in the wings despite many attempts to buy a successor… However, Coolmore still have an awful lot of the best bred fillies of Europe. Best bred Galileo fillies at that… and they may not be suited by being so closely inbred to Galileo (had they gone to Frankel) anyway. So although it will be more difficult for Coolmore to maintain their dominance without Galileo; they’ll probably have far more Group 1 winners than anyone else.

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    Have to agree with TTC. Can’t recall a year when they have been that dominant at this point in the season. Their Classics CV looks pretty unique so far and Love could be Europe’s the best older horse over middle distances.
    This is highly dominant to me and it has been achieved with fewer runners in the races than in the past.

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    The prizemoney for the prix Diane is unreal. 547 grand for connections way above any pot at royal ascot. No wonder as a business they are targeting France. They seem very targeted in who they send as opposed to the scattergun approach here. Maybe a lesson for them going forward. Coolmore will be the top of the tree for a good few years because the will get group one horses by the likes of siyouni, wooton bassett etc and I’m sure the likes of churchill and Caravaggio will produce a few group one winners. Royal ascot was a strange meeting with th vextremes of hard and soft and that probably lead to a better spread of winners. I can see coolmore having a very good autumn especially at the breeders cup.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Love would be a shoe in for the breeders cup turf

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    Love doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with domination, FF. 😉

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    shoe in is one of my pet hates

    Shoo-in :yes:

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