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Is the era of Ballydoyle domination over?

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  • #1548991
    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    Another powerful display from the no.1 3-year old at Ballydoyle. They didn’t have to use a pacemaker simply because he isn’t that much pace dependent. Where does he go next? Maybe the Juddmonte…..

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    Even before today’s impressive performance (though the 109-rated fourth, beaten less than seven lengths, possibly holds the form down, suggesting runner up and third have run below par), so far this season the yard has won: the 1,000 Guineas, The Oaks, the Irish 1,000 Guineas, the Prix de Diane (French Oaks), the Poule D’Essai Des Poulains (French 2,000 Guineas) and the Prix Du Jockey Club (French Derby).

    If that’s a stable no longer dominating….

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    I don’t think they have ever dominated apart from the year the won 28 group ones I think it was. What’s more worrying is that the French don’t seem to have any decent horses and the likes of shadwell and juddmonte are scaling back. It shows how sharp magnier is that he got smbasilica and then has bought sotsass both by Soyuuini. He seems to always have made the right breeding decisions. It’s up to others to buy the right horses but the days of Hannon or the like winning classics with 100 grand horses are long gone. Even some of the very wealthy owners are not buying like they used to.

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    “The 109-rated fourth, beaten less than seven lengths, possibly holds the form down”.

    It was also not a great time. Maybe they have crawled a bit in a four runner race because Wink Of An Eye ran a faster time in the concluding Class Four handicap!

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    You can only win in the circumstances you are faced with. El drama was only so close due to the slow pace. Had coolmore ran a pacemaker el drama would have been left well behind. To my eyes the top performance this season.Hard one for timeform to rate.

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    It may be coming to an end now that Galileo has passed away.

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    Such a shame, but he’s been an absolute legend for them, what a star.

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    The ballydoyle domination will never be over, the galileo fillies will ensure it for atleast another few decades

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    They said that after Danehill,and saddlers Wells they wouldn’t dominate again. Coolmore have been preparing for this day for years. The broodmares list is staggering. Churchill has made a super start and Australia’s progeny get better and better. Coolmore will still have two more years of galileos coming through and of course st marks basilica looks an cracking stallion in the making. I’m sure even coolmore will expect a drop for a wee while in say four to five years time but who knows who will be the next top stallion they unearth. My money is on wootton Bassett who I believe is being well used by coolmore. A sad,sad day for racing.

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    No reason why the other stallions who will now be mating with the top mares can’t produce high quality horses. Galileo rightfully so had the pick of the paddock.

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    What should be fascinating is firstly who will cover the mares Galileo was due to and secondly it could be that the likes of Saxon warrior etc has a fantastic group of mares to cover. Interesting times ahead regards breeding.

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    If it is coming to an end no one should mourn it.

    Money should never be the sole determinant of success in sport.

    Even the biggest football clubs go through cycles where combinations of managerial errors and signings that just don’t work out mean the biggest transfer budget is not a guarantee of success.

    And Racing has the “glorious uncertainty” of the vagaries of breeding.

    I love racing, but my love of it these past 40 years has been tarnished at times by the super powers of not only Coolmore but the petro-dollar from owners funded by oil money.

    I find myself missing the array of big-race colours in the 1970s delivered by Europe’s aristocracy and even the occasional Parisian art dealer.

    Racing needs less dominance, not more.

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    Wouldnt be surprised to see coolmore buy souyuni. The Opel family through Westerberg pumped tens of millions into coolmore so I’m sure they will look at it. Not sure coolmore dominated as some seem to suggest. Group ones have been spread around in Britain this season which is great. Remember st marks basilica,snowfall,Mother Earth and Santa Barbara we’re by stallions other than Galileo. In a strange way it could make coolmore more dominant if they send his daughters to the likes of lope de vega etc. John magnier has an innate understanding of breeding and Galileo himself won’t sire group one winners in five years time but his broodmares imprint will be in most of them. I hope Santa Barbara turns out to be a top mare then Camelot will get the chance to take Galileos mantle. The most handsome horse I’ve seen and he knows he is. The boss at coolmore apparently. Galileo would have been covering less than 100 mares next year so it will have an impact on non coolmore operations too. Godolphin must rue not using Galileo when at the height of his powers.

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    Reg Camelot – I believe his current crop of three year olds is his fourth yet he hasn’t a single son who would attract the top level flat breeders – apart maybe from Sir Dragonet in Aus though I doubt he would have excited anyone in European bar those looking to breed jumpers.

    I also think that looking at the Ballydoyle juvenile string in Horses In Training gives an indication of the current pecking order of their turf stallions – A P O’Brien has 79 juveniles listed in training this season with only four of them by Camelot.

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    Interesting stat that. But how does the number of Camelot 2 year olds compare to previous years, Cancello?

    Camelot’s may be more staying / late maturing types so possibly don’t start training until later in the season? :unsure:

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    Churchill and Caravaggio are next after Galileo in no of 2yos so obviously Camelot and Australia down the pecking order. Be very interesting to see who they use to cover the mares that Galileo was going to. Sotsass, Wootton Bassett I’m sure will be used as will the likes of no nay never, Saxon Warrior and Magna Grecia.im sure John magnier was preparing for this day.

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    Ginge- I would expect even all the late maturing juvenile crop to be listed in training when the Horses In Training forms go out. I’m sure this has been customary for many years – for example, I’d be quite certain that all the trainers of Wood Ditton winners who returned their HIT forms when the said Wood Ditton winners were juveniles, would have included them as being in training.

    Mickeyip – yep,Churchill has had a promising few weeks and they must be getting excited – maybe consolation for Gleneagles not looking likely he’ll live up to expectations.

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