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In The Racing Post’s Verdict for this race it says [i:3kce9am8]’it is possible that [New Approach] was prepared for his first Classic assignment with a prolonged campaign in mind, and may have a little more potential for improvement than a rival who looked very well tuned for the day’.[/i:3kce9am8]
I’m confused: have they got the names mixed-up? I’m not saying that he’s wrong but it’s the opposite of the general consensus.
Sounds like putting two and two together and coming up with five to me.
Those two in the Guineas were ready to run for their lives, you don’t win a Guineas 80% fit.
I think sometimes people just try and second guess a bit too much and and come to their own conclusions when there isn’t really any conclusion to draw other than bare fact.
I’m shocked to see that (generally) New Approach is 11/8 and Henrythenavigator is 2/1. I thought that Henrythenavigator would be evens and New Approach would be 5/2 (note: I never compile my own tissues; this was just a vague ‘feeling’).
I can’t see any reason why New Approach will reverse the form; if ever New Approach was going to beat Henrythenavigator (on ground which isn’t soft) it would have been in The English 2000 Guineas when he had the run of the race and Henrythenavigator was kept so far back.
The ground is likely to be good-firm at the Curragh. Can anyone tell me the thinking behind these prices?
I couldn’t agree more. I think the bookies committed themselves early in the week expecting the ground may go against Henry TN and have probably taken a lot of money on New Approach and are now stuck with him as fav.
New Approach is a striking individual and is hard not to like but I have to agree with you.
New Approach was ridden to outgallop and outstay his rivals at Newmarket and the such as Raven’s Past never got a blow in. The rising ground at Newmarket was surely in favour of New Approach yet
Henrythenavigator had enough left in the tank to get up and win.He came from a long way back that day and ridden a bit handier today I he will have way too much toe for New Approach and should win comfortably IMO
The Curragh although the last 3 furlongs are uphill is a very fair track and I believe it will suit Henrythenavigator better than Newmarket did.
I regard him as a bit of a good thing and like you think he’s a knocking price.
Famous Name has been withdrawn due to the conditions.
I ponder where he will turn up next. He needs a run over a mile before stepping up to further distances so any Derbies would not be considered right now.
I remain hopeful that Kevin Manning will set a slightly quicker pace than he did at Newmarket, or at least have it handed to him by Luminaire, so I can’t see him being beaten.
The 6/4 with Bet365 will do nicely.
Since New Approach is by Gallileo he should start his run from 3 furlongs out and keep going at full gallop to the line.If he can not take the kick out of Henry with a three furlong full speed gallop to the line he never will.
Didn’t like the head carriage of New Approach and think he ran below Newmarket form rather than Henry stepping up as much as the bare margins between them would imply.
New Approach may be the only horse who’s lead pony needs a lead pony!
Well done Henry’
Why is so hard for some people to accept,that HTN is just a better horse than new approach??
The second and third ran up to English Guineas form. I guess Jim still has not won an Irish Guineas!
New Approach didn’t look like he went a yard today, he only finished as close as he did by his stamina. Bolger’s decision to keep him over a mile is starting to look a little ill-advised in retrospect, he just hasn’t got the pace on all known evidence. Give him a wee breather, and then as many have said previously the sooner he sees 12f the better.
I was impressed by the turn of foot shown by Henrythenavigator, who I’d say at first glance has come on a smidge for the run at Newmarket (although whether that’s due to ground or fitness is another matter). They didn’t seem to go a break-neck pace, so to quicken away so effortlessly means he’s a serious horse.I didn’t see the 2,000 Guineas live (just a replay), but watched today’s race and was very impressed by the turn of speed shown by Henrythenavigator as he just flew past New Approach in the final furlong and was going away at the line.
However, I do have to question whether a horse with such speed would stay the distance of the Epsom Derby on a course very different to The Curragh. There is no doubt at all that he is a very high class animal, so I will be very interested to see what connections decide to do.
I applaud O’Brien’s willingness to consider Epsom. The attitude of some of his fellow trainers has been awful IMO, Good on you Aidan – there is ONE real Derby.
Would love to see Henrythenavigator win the Derby. Yes he might fail to stay but winning Guineas and the Derby creates legends and you have to admire O’Brien if he does send Henry there.
I applaud O’Brien’s willingness to consider Epsom. The attitude of some of his fellow trainers has been awful IMO, Good on you Aidan – there is ONE real Derby.
Would love to see Henrythenavigator win the Derby. Yes he might fail to stay but winning Guineas and the Derby creates legends and you have to admire O’Brien if he does send Henry there.
I agree totally Flash. At one time, the Derby was considered THE race to win (this is going back some years mind you), but attitudes change and now, to some trainers, it no longer seems to matter as a prime target. Perhaps too many think that the track would not suit their horses or that a hard race at Epsom would ruin their chances in other races carrying greater prize-money later in the season.
It is a sad fact of life, but times have changed.
I think I’m on record as saying Henry wouldn’t stay the Derby on rollerblades, but the more I look at his pedigree the more he has a chance of getting the trip. Kingmambo has a couple of Japan Cup winners- El Condor Pasa & Alkaased- and the former was, like Henry, out of a Saddler’s Wells mare. His speed obviously gives him the look of a miler, but given how the Epsom classic is sizing up I’m starting to see some justification in him taking his chance.
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