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He’s already shown he’s in a different league to Mastercraftsman
Different league My A**e, where has he shown that then? If you are suggesting the 2,3/4l Delegator finished in front of him at Newmarket
then you dont see horse racing the way i do! Delegator had the benefit
of a run, and is the only true miler to finish in the 1st 5, he travelled and
quickened like a good miler should! Mastercraftsman on the other hand
was caught for pace 2 out and didn"t actually allow himself to stretch out
until he hit the rising ground,when he did the race was over,but he stayed
on strongly,suggesting he would get further easily.Now when it comes to a slog on saturday and they are having to dig deep on the wide open expanse of the Curragh, I know who will out battle who! Where have i heard that before! "FIST v TAPK" its coming!
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Delegator should win, but at The Curragh, I woud be worried about Ballydoyle tactics.
The only tactics they’ll need is to set a strong pace, on what looks bound to be soft ground. Sure to suit Mastercraftsman, where both Delegator and Rayeni might have problems lasting home in such circumstances.
Delegator should win, but at The Curragh, I woud be worried about Ballydoyle tactics.
The only tactics they’ll need is to set a strong pace, on what looks bound to be soft ground. Sure to suit Mastercraftsman, where both Delegator and Rayeni might have problems lasting home in such circumstances.
Reet, no mention of them "Buggering" it up with "Mafia" style tactics then!
Glad you conceded that one, ala Chester and York! Mastercraftsman could
make his own pace and just keep winding it up!Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mRace has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mI’m talking about the progression of O’Brien’s horses they progress at different rates often and in any case I doubt their optimum trips will perfectly reflect your predictions above. If only it were that simple.
Mastercraftsmans best performance last year was on fast ground he then scraped home in a photo finish on heavy then was disappointing in France a run which some people put down to the ground though I’m far from convinced that that was the reason myself.
The Question i ask about Mastercraftsman is what were they doing in the Guineas….
Mind you he did have Pat on board..
But i plead my case as follows:
Mastercraftsman made his name when he destroyed Art in the Phoneix by blasting out in front a running the kick out of the others….he did it to a certain extent in the National where he set the pace. Now in the 2000 Guineas he was settled about 6th or 7th and he could never have possibly won from there since he has very little turn of pace and is just a relentless galloper….ala Denman from the Jumps.I have a conspiracy that they never wanted Mastercraftsman to win…meaning John Magnier saw more to be gained by a Galileo winning over a mile for him at this current juncture.
With Gan Amhras, RVW and Sea the Stars(all related to Galileo) he thought he would further Galileos reputation by finally have a 1 Mile Classic winning Colt much like Lush Lashes won over 1 Mile last year at Royal Ascot…Some might think its a bit
….but remember Coolmore is a business and it makes sense to me anyways.The Question i ask about Mastercraftsman is what were they doing in the Guineas….
Mind you he did have Pat on board..
But i plead my case as follows:
Mastercraftsman made his name when he destroyed Art in the Phoneix by blasting out in front a running the kick out of the others….he did it to a certain extent in the National where he set the pace. Now in the 2000 Guineas he was settled about 6th or 7th and he could never have possibly won from there since he has very little turn of pace and is just a relentless galloper….ala Denman from the Jumps.I have a conspiracy that they never wanted Mastercraftsman to win…meaning John Magnier saw more to be gained by a Galileo winning over a mile for him at this current juncture.
With Gan Amhras, RVW and Sea the Stars(all related to Galileo) he thought he would further Galileos reputation by finally have a 1 Mile Classic winning Colt much like Lush Lashes won over 1 Mile last year at Royal Ascot…Some might think its a bit
….but remember Coolmore is a business and it makes sense to me anyways.So basically Pat Smullen had been advised to breach the non-tryer rule?
What a load of rubbish
HTH…i know its a bit farfetched….but i not saying Pat broke the no tryer rule and i am confident Sea the Stars is a much better horse than Mastercraftsman but the riding of the master in around 6th or 7th in the 2000 Guineas was strange when he never run like that before.
Mind you most Consipacies are Rubbish
…..and this one probaly is but its one for you to think about…Nothing wrong with a bit of debate Fishing this race looks like it is going to cut up pretty badly with the ground and the number of obrien runners that wont turn up. could end up with just 8 runners.
in the ground going to need something that gets more than a mile. looking through the entries see monitor closely is in there again. Im guessing he wont turn up as will be his 4th race in almost as many weeks but if he did he has form on the ground last year and will defo stay the distance 25/1 might be big come 3.50pm saturday afternoon.- Total Posts 17716
The best of Danehill Dancer’s progeny don’t tend to excel at anything above a mile, and there’s certainly no evidence to suggest Mastercraftsman will benefit from stamina on the dam’s side, so why is it agiven that he’ll out-stay this field?
You said on the 2000 Guineas thread, TAPK, that the horse ‘ideally wants good ground’. As anything other than soft (or worse) ground is unlikely, why is it that the horse is suddenly able to win in adverse conditions? If a short-head defeat of Shaweel is your marker for a true Group One animal, then I’m just sorry I’m not your bookie.
Delegator has the ability to win a race of this nature and, on pedigree at least, should have the stamina. Quite how he’ll handle the ground is a different matter altogether and I wouldn’t be too keen to bet on soft or heavy suiting him.
Of the market leaders then, Rayeni is a real stand-out. We know he handles the ground, we know he has plenty of class and he should, given his pedigree and performances last season, see out a testing mile anywhere in the UK. He demolished Vitruvian Man on his most recent start and, whilst the form is hardly heart-stopping, he’ll only have improved over the winter. I think 4/1 is very fair.
At a bigger price Malibu Bay interests me. He won on easy ground on his debut last year and was given a truly appalling ride by Murtagh at Sandown at a time when O’Brien’s were clearly in need of their reappearance. He won’t be burdened by the same jockey in this, will handle conditions, will relish any sort of decent pace (which Soul City should ensure) and probably has pretensions of being a good bit better than we’ve seen so far. He’ll do at 20/1.
Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mGordy – i thought RVW needed more than a mile. I may be totally wrong though ! I really can’t see him being a 6f horse. A mile at the very minimum.
The best of Danehill Dancer’s progeny don’t tend to excel at anything above a mile, and there’s certainly no evidence to suggest Mastercraftsman will benefit from stamina on the dam’s side, so why is it agiven that he’ll out-stay this field?
You said on the 2000 Guineas thread, TAPK, that the horse ‘ideally wants good ground’. As anything other than soft (or worse) ground is unlikely, why is it that the horse is suddenly able to win in adverse conditions? If a short-head defeat of Shaweel is your marker for a true Group One animal, then I’m just sorry I’m not your bookie.
EQUI, i am sure you have wanted to be my Bookie before, i would have had your pants down and spanked your bottom last week if that had been
the case! Black bear at 17 Valery Borzov at 11, 10 and 8, Virtual at 10 and 8, Machinist at 10, Tax free e/w at 8/1,Beauty O Gwaun at 9/4 lets not mention being robbed with Inxile at 5! Your piggy bank would have been emptied more times than your rabbits hutch!
As far as Mastercraftsman "ideally" wants good ground!!!!!! why dont you research what "ideally" means!! You are a silly sausage!- Total Posts 17716
He’s already shown he’s in a different league to Mastercraftsman
Different league My A**e, where has he shown that then? If you are suggesting the 2,3/4l Delegator finished in front of him at Newmarket
then you dont see horse racing the way i do! Delegator had the benefit
of a run, and is the only true miler to finish in the 1st 5, he travelled and
quickened like a good miler should! Mastercraftsman on the other hand
was caught for pace 2 out and didn"t actually allow himself to stretch out
until he hit the rising ground,when he did the race was over,but he stayed
on strongly,suggesting he would get further easily.Now when it comes to a slog on saturday and they are having to dig deep on the wide open expanse of the Curragh, I know who will out battle who! Where have i heard that before! "FIST v TAPK" its coming!The difference between you and me bud is I have a brain but you fall for things hook line and sinker.
You see I set a little trap for you and you walked straight into it.
Don’t you ever read your own posts? like the one when you said Mastercraftsmen needs good ground to use his long stride and be seen at his best.?
Now you tell us he can beat a horse who shoved it straight up his jacksy on ground that is against him, according to your previous posts.
Now make up your mind oh lord of the AP, either the horse likes good ground or he’s the champion of soft.
You fooked up when you said he was unbeatable in the guineas now you are about to fook up saying he’s a good thing for the Irish version.
Is this the same horse I said didn’t have the class or toe to win a classic? Is this the same horse J Murtagh said no thank you to when he dumped him for RVW?
I thing he’s damn ordinary and the only reason he looked better than average last season is because AC ran like a pig……tell us what has AC done since? SWA that’s what.
So let’s look at another races he won and see what the 2nd has done First Shaweel. Oh my God he’s lost two on the trot 4/13 and 5/8.
Now lets be totally fair and go back further and see what his previous victim did after defeat. His name Alhaban..oops! 5/5 and 12/18.
Outstanding for for a Guineas/Classic hope eh?
If he wins we will get a barage of I am the APK shoved down our throats for the next 6 months.
Gawd forbid!
Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mGordy – i thought RVW needed more than a mile. I may be totally wrong though ! I really can’t see him being a 6f horse. A mile at the very minimum.
Graeme, where have i ever suggested that i think Rip Van Winkle is a 6f
horse? Am i really responding to a Donkey? Now go and find where i would say such an imposing statement like that!- Total Posts 17716
Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mRVW 6F you’re fookin crazy…….you went on for a week saying he was a sprinter before…now he’s not? make your mind up FFS
Race has the look of a "leave well alone" one. I’m not convinced that Delegator will get home and I’m not convinced that Mastercraftsman will like cut in the ground – before the Guineas everyone was convinced he needs fast ground.
Aidan’s horses’s are hard to read as usual.
Ian, Mastercraftsman is a Group 1 winner on Heavy, he "handles" any ground like a good colt can!
Aidans Horses are straight forward enough to read Mastercraftsman 11/4m
Black Bear Island 11/2m, Fame and glory 11/2m+, Freemantle 11/4m
Age of Aquarius 13/4m, Sir garfieldsobers 13/4m+ Hail Caesar 11/4m,
Drumbeat 11/4m+, Westphalia 1m+, Malibu bay 1m+ Viceroy of india 1m+
Masterofthehorse 11/2m, Rip Van Winkle ???? 6f-1mGordy – i thought RVW needed more than a mile. I may be totally wrong though ! I really can’t see him being a 6f horse. A mile at the very minimum.
Graeme, where have i ever suggested that i think Rip Van Winkle is a 6f
horse? Am i really responding to a Donkey? Now go and find where i would say such an imposing statement like that!You said on page 2 that RVW is a 6f – 1m horse. I don’t see where you get 6f from. I see it as a 10-12f creature myself.
….but remember Coolmore is a business and it makes sense to me anyways.
…..and this one probaly is but its one for you to think about…Nothing wrong with a bit of debate Fishing 
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