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I’m not surprised, Anthony. Racing for loose change, a betting exchange environment enabling unlicenced laying, the ability to back a horse to thousands and thousands at short prices anonymously, expensive training fees and the biggest recession since the one Thatcher created in the early eighties.
If corruption was a big cake, top TV chef Jamie Oliver couldn’t have written a better recipe.
What exactly do the BHA expect? I’ve seen stuff at Southwell this winter that isn’t sport. It’s like something I’ve never seen before, something completely new. Something brazen.
I’ve seen horses improve twenty pounds between races and the stewards haven’t even woken from their slumbers to tentatively ask why. There’s an air of despondency, of
inevitability,
of the natural order of things. No-one ever gets indignant any more when a horse improves out of all proportion when the money’s down. Noone ever complains. Shoulders are shrugged.
That is bad for the sport.
When they charge and punish the Famous Five are they going to intervene in artificial surface racing as a result? Make it better? Restrict the exchanges? Increase prize money?
No…course they won’t. There will be another Famous Five in 2014.
I feel bad for these small trainers with the joke prize money…
But they broke the rules and hopefully this will encourage others not to do so.
These guys are the sacraficial lambs….lets look at all the Newmarket based trainers that have non-triers in the big high profile meetings and will get some where
Let’s be honest, any of us could do a better job. Some of the stuff I saw yesterday was just pathetic. These guys must be absolutely minted, honestly. Give a mate an envelope, he’ll put it in his Betfair account, wait for a call, back or lay, easy money. Embarrassing. Won’t be giving any of my money to it anymore, the absolute pits. New trainers popping up all over the place too. Don’t blame them, it’s the business to be in right now. Might try it myself.
To be fair NH racing isn’t much better. The 4.30 at Ludlow today was just ridiculous. Oliver Sherwood plot horse, down 5lbs having previously been beaten 13 and 22 lengths 4 and 8 weeks ago in first 2 handicap hurdles over 1 and 3 furlongs further than today. Hacked up. 5lbs makes that much difference? 1st time blinkers admittedly but it was just desperate to watch.
There’s a non-trier in practically every race every day. Scandalous stuff. I feel ashamed for having spent the past 2 days betting on it. Never again.
Laying certainly is the way forward for me.
I noticed today just laying place….for example Kieran Fallon today rode a stupid race from the front at Folkstone on Black Baccara. Went off far to quick up in the weights and trailed in last. They were obviously he instructions and the trainer has a lot to answer for
I feel bad for these small trainers with the joke prize money…
Well we could have a discussion for about 8 hours over this issue.
True, the prize-money is desperate, abysmal, vilious, horrendous, shameful and everything else but ‘they’ won’t do anything about it. They need more levy money.
But why do we get single-number fields assembled for all these Conditions races and Derby trials? 5 runners the other day ffs, top rated 105RPR. Runner-up completely exposed as well. If they want more money, go for it. Stick in a no-hoper and see what happens. Dr Pritchard does it constantly over the sticks and it pays off.
And I’ve been banging on about this for 3 years now but why on earth do European trainers completely ignore the prize money in America? Their turf horses are utter rubbish yet they’re cleaning up vast sums every fortnight. English Channel and Better Talk Now were basically Group 3 horses by our standards. The latter picked up £2.4m and the former won over £2m even ignoring his BC Turf victory.
Cacique ran 11 times in Europe, yet looking through the prize money the runner was racing for, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he won more in his first 3 US Stakes races than he won in France having won the Sandringham, finishing 2nd in a Jean Prat & Prix du Jockey Club and 3rd in the D’Isaphan. Half of Debussy’s prize money has come solely from winning the Arlington Million.
Medici Code for god’s sake, was running for thousands at Southwell in Class 6 handicaps, went across the pond and within 4 races had won £176,000. European trainers must know about this kind of stuff. Please send them over so something gets done about the pitiful state of British racing. The French really have the future of their racing catered for for several decades. The system set up there is pure brilliance, works like a charm. Shame you can’t take a price or do any ante-post betting, but that’s the sacrifice you have to make.
Your spot on regards the the prize money in America….and France….well France is just so far superior in terms of prize money is quite astonishing more trainers dont race over their.
Look at the World wide races in Hong Kong etc the prize money is astonishing.
Their is probaly too many trainers and jockeys and racecourses/races….the bookmaker way of more is better is ruining the sport in Britain slowly
Laying certainly is the way forward for me.
I noticed today just laying place….for example Kieran Fallon today rode a stupid race from the front at Folkstone on Black Baccara. Went off far to quick up in the weights and trailed in last. They were obviously he instructions and the trainer has a lot to answer for
Well you say that but you have no idea how many times you’re running into a plot horses. Best maybe to stick solely to trainers out of form, and even then you might lay a 8/1 winner who hacks up for NTD after having had what has basically been an abysmal season, but an especially bad past 3 months. Baby Run’s practically his only horse who’s been running well. Only thing stopped me from laying him was Betfair being down
Just far too many plots, non-triers and dire, dire horses for me to deal with. 2 of my 4 lays did exactly what I expected of them and the other 2 just found copious amounts or progression on previous form. Just find the worst horse in the race and back him, it’s gotten that bad.
I find you cant actually make a bet until you see the market 2 mins before the off….i remember even 3 years ago i could be certain what price a horse would go off the night before but their are horses drifting so much and horse being backed that the morning forecasts are useless….laying drifters before the off for me looks a stone cold betting plan for the future.
I just dont have the time or patience to sit in front of a computer
Your spot on regards the the prize money in America….and France….well France is just so far superior in terms of prize money is quite astonishing more trainers dont race over their.
Look at the World wide races in Hong Kong etc the prize money is astonishing.
Their is probaly too many trainers and jockeys and racecourses/races….the bookmaker way of more is better is ruining the sport in Britain slowly
It’s not slowly destroying it, it already has destroyed it. This mess we’re in is basically unsalvagable. Needs years and years of work to fix it. The racecourses are all in it to make money, as are the bookies. So the bookies give the racecourses a few quid to stage extra meetings and the bookies get a few quid (cough cough) in their satchels. During the winter months when there are no twilight meetings, there are 3 BAGS (greyhounds) meetings.
The high street bookmakers are just the absolute pits. Such scummy, scummy people run them and act like they’re squeaky clean.
There was a letter in the RP the other week from the owner of a horse who won an evening race at some lesser track, collected about £1600, no idea if that’s pre-fees. Roughly £750,000 traded on Betfair. What can racing do about it? Nothing. Can’t ask the government to help them and charge Betfair 1% of their commission per race because if that looked like happening, Betfair would simply up and leave. No more tax for the government.
If horse racing went belly up for whatever reason, Betfair I’m sure would try to support it at first, but realistically despite it accounting for the vast majority of turnover and profit, with the money bet on cricket, snooker, darts, football, rugby, NFL, etc, they hardly need more money. So many more sports are being shown on TV nowadays and so many are becoming more regular such as darks and snooker. Even the Formula 1 season has lengthened over the past 7 or 8 seasons. 19 races they were due to have this year. Snooker had about 6 tournaments 10 years ago, now they have near 20.
Betfair holds so many aces and they can get away with whatever they want.
….laying drifters before the off for me looks a stone cold betting plan for the future.
I’m not sure exactly how you do it, but if you have enough Betfair points, go on data.betfair.com and have a look through their stats. Various posters post the data on here from time to time and it makes for interesting reading. Certain trainers basically only win with their drifters. Ferdy Murphy has a ridiculously high strike rate with his drifters and a ridiculously low strike rate for his steamers. Richard Fahey too, or perhaps it’s the other way round.
But simply doing exactly what you said will lead to the poor house. For me it’s simply the big Festivals from now on, can’t get my head around this dross.
A good plan for a fortnight’s time – lay anything drawn on the outside at Chester. You will make money doing that, eventually. But one winner, bam, could all be gone. Make sure you cash-out in-running so you don’t stand to lose anything, only win.
Look at the ATR now showing South African racing….who the **** wants to watch that shite…they show US Racing….nobody really cares. All their programs are sponosered by bookmakers….the amount of add breaks.
RUK the same…..
Barney Curley despite being very questionable regarding his training of horses still has not be paid his full dues for his gamble…a legally binding agreement i would have thought.
Racing is dying quickly in GB and to a lesser extent Ireland. The amount of racecourses in Britain is a joke.
This all is adding to the epidemic of gambling addiction that the bookmakers want and no matter what they say with their stupid self exclusion they are completely interesed in creating addicts. I heard a story of one man losing everything by stealing over a period of a few years 150k from his work despite being self excluded.
Your right…i dont make money because i have never sticked to the plan.
Too much lack of discipline to do it.
Big festivals i think are the way….the 3 day meetings. Pick a few bets have a good lump on and then go on with your life until the next big one.
This day to day lark of betting is not only tedious and unprofitable but also leads you down the wrong path as such.
Oh well the whole sport is corrupt then, it must be a complete fluke that I can make money on the low grade racing without having any "inside" information, and without having to bet close to the off. Just as well i’ve been to Hereford, Epsom and Wincanton in the last few days, as you two also seem to want to close a lot of the tracks down.
I know it’s late now, perhaps i’ll wake up in the morning and i’ve dreamt this thread.
I’ll tell you why there was nothing wrong with the Ben Cee Pee M race later, although if you bothered to delve a little deeper without jumping on the nearest bandwagon you might see for yourself.
Clearly corruption is an important issue, but I regard it as just another factor to take into consideration.
There will always be legitimate insiders e.g. trainers who know how fit their horse is prior to the race. The existence of race fixing insiders is mathematically no different but it just adds to the diasadvantage outsiders have in the market.
Strangely, with the B.O.G., punters have some mathematical protection from funny market moves and can in some cases take advantage of the volatility even if they have no information.
I dont buy into this prizemoney/integrity argument at all. Was Irish racing any straighter when the minimum value of a race was 8500 Euro? As long as there’s free money on the exchanges the size of the prizemoney will always be secondary to corrupt insiders. I’d be happy to see laying banned completely, its a scourge on the game at this stage, imo.
Cav , its too late the bird has left the cage , and we are left with corrupt racing in both codes
The mess that the BHA find themselves in now comes at the worst time possible , somehow they have to find a way to limit damage
It would come as no surprise to see the whole thing blow over without any action
I will say it clear , racing is a business , low prize fodder for the betting shops is the breeding ground for getting easy cash , the owners/trainers/jockeys have a license to help themselves
The victims continue to be the gormless punters and exchange bettors who reckon they know best
Attracting new punters will be a mountain to climb , IMO , on the other hand there are a load of mugs around who might fancy their chances
Thankfully I made a decision in late 2008 to stop betting on the flat , in 2010 I made another decision to ban Uk racing entirely , so it doesnt bother me now what they do from a punting viewpoint I am excluded , but it still wrankles to see them doing it so brazenly all of the time
Ricky
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