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  • #20113
    tony007
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    :mrgreen: If only 1 horse finishes in a 3 horse race do I get paid for my forecast bet if I had the winner shammick boy 16/1 1/11/2011. I have an argumentive bookie I’de like to be sure before presenting my slip.

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    :mrgreen: If only 1 horse finishes in a 3 horse race do I get paid for my forecast bet if I had the winner shammick boy 16/1 1/11/2011. I have an argumentive bookie I’de like to be sure before presenting my slip.

    Everything I know would tell me you done your dough, same as if 2 finished in a four runner race and your second selection fell.

    #375482
    davidjohnson
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    Check the rules, but from my days as working in a bookies, I think any forecast that has Shammick Boy as the winner should be paid as a successful winning forecast at SP odds. Certainly worth checking the rules of the bookmaker.

    #375483
    Eclipse First
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    With only one finisher and you having the winner, the rules used to be that you were paid at the horse’s SP less the betting tax rate. As its been a while since I worked in a shop I have no idea what the rules are now. I suggest you check the rules poster in shop.

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    If it was a Tote bet you would be paid a winning Exacta.

    #375488
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    If it was a Tote bet you would be paid a winning Exacta.

    I could half understand that, but only if Sam Winner was the other horse in the bet that having been the last other one left standing.
    Had the f/c been SB to beat Menorah then that is clearly a loser in my books. I may be wrong though :?

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    I imagine it’s paid out on the basis of the winenr to beat either of the others. The point at which the others departed has no bearing. The dividend was £8.40.

    #375491
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    I imagine it’s paid out on the basis of the winenr to beat either of the others. The point at which the others departed has no bearing. The dividend was £8.40.

    If it was 8.40 then it looks like they just halved the dividend to pay ‘winner v both others’ out. £1 on the winner gets you £17, so I guess that they treat it like a d/h and halved stakes

    #375492
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    Just checked on Paddy Power’s rules, winner to beat any other selection where only one horse declared as finished. Should be 16/1 to your Straight FC unit stake, no deductions.

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    I imagine it’s paid out on the basis of the winenr to beat either of the others. The point at which the others departed has no bearing. The dividend was £8.40.

    If it was 8.40 then it looks like they just halved the dividend to pay ‘winner v both others’ out. £1 on the winner gets you £17, so I guess that they treat it like a d/h and halved stakes

    Totepool rules state ‘If a horse finishes alone, the dividend will be paid on that horse with any other runner.’

    #375526
    tony007
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    The exacta paid 8.40 he is only a small bookmaker but loves to wind people up by arguing with them I have checked William Hills rules and they say I should be paid the odds of the winner the other horse was sam something or other.The forecast was reversed but I only get paid once on the winninghalf of the forecast. He goes by William Hill prices when he’s asked for an anti post price so maybe he goes by there rules as well. :mrgreen:

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    I work at Coral, it is settled as a lose, however they often settle them as win singles, depending on the result, PR reasons etc.

    #375561
    tony007
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    Rule no 12 http://help.coral.co.uk/shop_rules/gene … ting_rules says I get paid as a single win bet on the winner.

    #375563
    tony007
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    I’ll take my slip along today at 12.00 o’clock I’ll post back. :mrgreen:

    #375600
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    My wife worked as a manager in bookmakers’ for years and according to her your bet is down.

    Your other horse in the forecast fell during the race. You would have had a case had the horse been declared a non runner but it started the race and failed to complete the course – therefore you lose your money.

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #375616
    tony007
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    :mrgreen: Horse racing betting guide ‘In races where a horse finishes alone, all forecast bets nominating that horse to finish first will be settled as a win single at starting price on the winning horse. All other forecast bets in the race are lost.’ http://www.horse-racing-student.co.uk/g … -rules.asp I produced my slip he said the bet was a loser, I asked for a copy of his rules he said they would’ent apply because his rules were framed before computer straight forecasts came out. But he said he would check on it, I asked how he said he would go to another bookmakers and say he had lost his slip and explain my bet to him. I said it says something simular in william hills rules and corals rules I asked where he would go he would’ent tell me thats because I dont believe he will check. He did say there was a body who would arbitrate btp something like that. He also sai8d there were no tote returns in the racing post but my daily paper gives an exata return of 8.49 and a tote return of 17.00. Can someone tell me the name of this arbitary body he mentions. Thanks.

    #375617
    seanboyce
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    You might want to remind him that if he does not have a full set of rules on display and/or available for you to peruse he is in breach of his Gambling Commission licence terms. I would imagine the consequences of that would be rather more expensive than paying you out. (unless it was a v large fc bet!)

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