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Ok I know that inside racing and most forum readers will understand that deaths within racing are hard , but nonetheless unavoidable …fair enough
But what about those folk who watch racing occasionally , and clearly are shocked / turned off as a result
How do we justify it do we brush under carpet quickly and trumpet forthcoming stellar races ….or do we take time and trouble to explain
Ricky
I think John Gosden did all the explaining that needs to be done.
I’ve seen horses "in the wild" (New Forest) and horses pampered in racing stables. If reincarnation exists I’d much rather come back as the latter.
Value Is EverythingRacing is a competitive sport and where you have competition accidents will happen. Boxing, Fencing, Ski-ing,Athletics, Greyhound racing Grand Pri racing, swimming even the London Marathon you name it.
It is in the nature of man and racehorse to compete and to win.
If horses could talk anyone who’s been around them or had the pleasure of riding out for a yard will tell you they love every minute of it.
Just show them an open space and they are gone like the wind and would pull your arms out of their sockets to go faster.
I assume from your somewhat distasteful thread title horse racing is not your favourite sport.
To each his own but as sad as the demise of any racehorse is it’s not going to change. Hence the attitude "That’s Racing" you either except it can happen at anytime or you wash your hands of the game completely and take up another sport
Surely Rewilding’s death was all Paul Roy’s fault, Ricky. If we get rid of him then no horse need ever die again.
Tuffers , what a way to make an idiot of yourself
obviously no one is capable of a lucid reply
cheers
Ricky
Tuffers , what a way to make an idiot of yourself
obviously no one is capable of a lucid reply
cheers
Ricky
I for one have grown increasingly tired of your exclusively negative threads and posts and your constant reiteration of the same points regarding Mr Roy et al.
It would be perfectly possible to have a lucid discussion on the subject but not with you, I fear.
Ok I know that inside racing and most forum readers will understand that deaths within racing are hard , but nonetheless unavoidable …fair enough
But what about those folk who watch racing occasionally , and clearly are shocked / turned off as a result
How do we justify it do we brush under carpet quickly and trumpet forthcoming stellar races ….or do we take time and trouble to explain
Ricky
The idealist would say none, however the realist would say that death in dangerous sports is unavoidable. So what do we do, ban all dangerous sports, like horse racing etc. This would make it an illegal activity but doubt people would stop, like drinking in the USA during prohibition. People will still race wherever between two given points. Accidents will still happen to some, even fatal accidents but because it’s not monitored no one would know.
Red Rum , good post and I agree with you , its impossible to say
Tuffers , sad you cannot have a conversation without a fit of pique, so go ahead and race your horses for buttons , you and Mr R deserve each other …as for this thread I was trying to get a response to a serious question , obviously you do not have the capability to even be in the same room ……grow up springs to mind
cheers
Ricky
But what about those folk who watch racing occasionally , and clearly are shocked / turned off as a result
How do we justify it do we brush under carpet quickly and trumpet forthcoming stellar races ….or do we take time and trouble to explain
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Justify and explain Ricky
Drone , thanks for that , Car racing is a tad different though ,
still it was worth a try
Ricky
How long is a piece of string??
That is basically what your question comes down to. Its a foolish question with no sensible answer IMO. As was already mentioned in the thread many are sick of the negative threads regarding horse fatalaties that you always seem to post. You seem to be number one on the banwagon time after time. What happened Saturday was a freak accident and as far as I can make out totally unavoidable, unless you simply stop racing altogether.
As long as horseracing continues accidents will happen as will fatalaties for both horse and jockey. Nobody enjoys seeing these terrible accidents but sadly its part and parcel of our great sport. The same can be said in any sport, Rugby, Football, Motorsports and the list goes on. Accidents and deaths occur. If your skin is not thick enough for it switch off, dont go to the meeting and stop trying to vilifie the sport.
The same day a human being got a gun ,went to the summer camp and shot over one hundred children.So what do we do with human adults?Or does it really matter? Men kill themselves climbing Mount Everest. Should we stop mt.climbing?Men kill themselves driving racing cars should we stop racing in cars?In three day events riders are sometimes killed. Should we stop humans from participating in these sports? Would horses stop racing if given the choice? Since we don’t stop men getting killed why suppose horses would be any different?
I just like to make two points on this issue!
First, yes motor sports is a different sport, but in Drone’s article it meantions spectators been injuried or killed (espically in the early years) yet no one questions this sport. How many are killed or injuried during a horse race, not many unless a horse runs wild when breaking free and kicks someone, or kicks someone in the winners enclosure because they were too near.
Second I imagine that this topic came up because of Rewilding incident, yet this was the first time it was brought too my attention, with the name of RED RUM, I think you can assume that jump racing really grabs my attention. My arguement is why has the general media not mentioned it, yet two die in the Grand National and everyone hears about that. Selective reporting I think.
It’s a difficult issue for me to reconcile, as I love horses and a really like following horseracing. I think the arguments about other sports also being dangerous don’t quite work; humans have choice whether they participate or spectate so have weighed-up the dangers and decided to accept them. Horses clearly do not understand the dangers and have not made a choice. Yes, the odd one will refuse to race but that’s not because they think it’s too dangerous.
I keep thinking, did followers of animal "sports" that are now banned such as bear-baiting or dog-fighting think at the time the same as we do now about horseracing? Will society in 50 years time look at us with the same distaste that we look back at them?
I think most racehorses derive some sort of pleasure from training and racing, as may have said they seem to have a natural desire to run and jump, so I have decided that outweighs the small number who are lost in the sport.
I do think it is absolutely of the highest importance that welfare is right at the top of horseracings agenda and is clearly seen to be so, whether it be within the trainers yard, on the course when a horse is injured, in applying rules that prevent abuse with the whip, and care of retired racehorses.
By the way, not the right thread to have a go at people you don’t like, is it really?
I long been of the opinion betting on creatures is a futile sport.
Bookmakers don’t make Hundreds of Millions of profit because of shrewd gamblers.
I love Racing per say but I struggle morally to justify the sport to myself when horse’s die on the racetrack.
Second I imagine that this topic came up because of Rewilding incident, yet this was the first time it was brought too my attention, with the name of RED RUM, I think you can assume that jump racing really grabs my attention. My arguement is why has the general media not mentioned it, yet two die in the Grand National and everyone hears about that. Selective reporting I think.
Two reasons I would suggest.
Firstly the Grand National has a much higher audience both within and outside racing.
Secondly the BBC has seemingly learned from its Aintree coverage and it was much more sensitively covered, to the best of my knowledge no shots of the horse running loose.
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