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I forgot what good value Kingman was that day Steve. Toormore (my choice also) was beaten as they met the dip and as Kingman took the lead on the far side he idled a little in front and Night of Thunder’s Fallon took the iniative to move Night of Thunder across to the better ground and snatched the race in the final strides.
If they had raced as a group in the centre of the course as they did in the 1000 Guineas the next day, won by Miss France, I’m sure the result would have been different. With Kingman, Australia and Night of Thunder forced to take each other on up the centre of the track I’m pretty sure Australia would have come out on top he was unlucky to have been drawn 10 and Joseph O’Brien had to decide which side to take him, I think he lost momentum coming over to the stands side, but that’s all heresay now..roll on the 2015 Guineas and hope they all stay in the centre this year.
I hope it’s a more straight forward race this season Jac.
Kingman’s turn of foot seemed a little less potent in the Guineas, maybe this was the first time he’d truly had a race, maybe his run could have been timed better in retrospect, perhaps Night Of Thunder just produced a freakishly good burst with perfect timing on the day.
Australia ran a brilliant race at the trip, might have won it in different circumstances but I think James Doyle learned more about Kingman that day and I am doubtful Australia would have beaten him at a mile after the Guineas.
It has to be said that there seemed a lack of guile on the part of other jockeys when facing Kingman later in the season. It is probable that it wouldn’t have made a lot of difference but there seemed a lack of ambition in the plans to stymie the Gosden hotpot, who simply blew them away late in the race time after time.
Gosden has another decent looking prospect in Faydhan this year and Paul Hanagan will have the job of trying to break Gosden’s duck in the race.
A six length winner on his only start, the runner up that day, Dutch Connection, went on to win his next two starts, one of which was a group 3, before finishing third to Gleneagles (Current Guineas favourite) in the group 1 National Stakes.
Gleneagles beat Dutch Connection 2 and a half lengths, compared to Faydhan’s six lengths. Gleneagles has clearly done well again since but it gives a ball park comparison with the Gosden horse who seems certain to improve, although some will point to sire War Front as a more precocious influence than long term prospect.
Gosden, O’Brien and Hannon could well be fighting it out again at Newmarket.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Good call Steve will certainly be looking out for Faydhan, only the one race and will need to improve a fair bit as apart from Dutch Connection he didn’t beat anything that progressed that much.
Gleneagles on the other hand has had 6 good races as a 2yo and his action seems to favour good or good to firm going as does Dutch Connection and my 2000 Guineas hopeful Highland Reel. It’s not far of now so will be interesting to see how much improvement they have made over the winter months..good luck.
At least Kingman won’t be there. ;)Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Good call Steve will certainly be looking out for Faydhan, only the one race and will need to improve a fair bit as apart from Dutch Connection he didn’t beat anything that progressed that much.
Gleneagles on the other hand has had 6 good races as a 2yo and his action seems to favour good or good to firm going as does Dutch Connection and my 2000 Guineas hopeful Highland Reel. It’s not far of now so will be interesting to see how much improvement they have made over the winter months..good luck.
At least Kingman won’t be there.
I thought Highland Reel would be more of a Derby sort and he was my first ante-post for that race. I was impressed when he stepped down in trip next time though, so he’s far from a forlorn 2000 Guineas hope. It will be fascinating to see how many of O’Brien’s colts line up for the race.
With Faydhan winning by a six length margin it is enough that the second has posted some good form. When a horse only wins by a length, you need to be seeing more from those who finished in the places.
As we saw with Taghrooda at Newmarket when she won by 6 lengths, the form of those in behind looked bad but because she had thrashed them it wasn’t such a factor. In the end she drifted right out and was a gift at 5/1 on Oaks day.
Best of luck with Highland Reel. Maybe he’ll lead them a merry dance.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mine is Black Caviar. It nearly happened at Ascot too. The guy Moody has a bad attitude I reckon.
Lord Windermere was pretty high on my wish list for failure at this year’s Festival.
I thought he was a freak winner of the race and the whole “trained for one day only” mentality was getting on my nerves.
I like to see horses who are trying their best as often as possible and while we can probably allow for an easier time on their first run of the year, a run of below par efforts is disappointing to watch.
He was a total no-show in The Gold Cup and he’s not going to win it again. Maybe they will aim him at something more modest now.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Lord Windermere was pretty high on my wish list for failure at this year’s Festival.
I thought he was a freak winner of the race and the whole “trained for one day only” mentality was getting on my nerves.
I like to see horses who are trying their best as often as possible and while we can probably allow for an easier time on their first run of the year, a run of below par efforts is disappointing to watch.
He was a total no-show in The Gold Cup and he’s not going to win it again. Maybe they will aim him at something more modest now.
I think that’s a bit mean; part of the charm of the Gold Cup is that one of the lesser horses can get the run of the race, jump well, be in the form of it’s life, have no outstanding opposition, and just be able to take it’s one chance at glory. Cool Dawn, Cool Ground are 2 that spring to mind. LW has contested 4 Grade 1s this year, so he was hardly being protected
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stevecaution wrote:</div>
Lord Windermere was pretty high on my wish list for failure at this year’s Festival.I thought he was a freak winner of the race and the whole “trained for one day only” mentality was getting on my nerves.
I like to see horses who are trying their best as often as possible and while we can probably allow for an easier time on their first run of the year, a run of below par efforts is disappointing to watch.
He was a total no-show in The Gold Cup and he’s not going to win it again. Maybe they will aim him at something more modest now.
I think that’s a bit mean; part of the charm of the Gold Cup is that one of the lesser horses can get the run of the race, jump well, be in the form of it’s life, have no outstanding opposition, and just be able to take it’s one chance at glory. Cool Dawn, Cool Ground are 2 that spring to mind. LW has contested 4 Grade 1s this year, so he was hardly being protected
Lord Windermere stank the place out on most of his runs. He was well advertised as being prepared only for the one race, the defence of the Gold Cup. I see that sort of preparation as running under false pretences.
Racing is about more than just charm. People have a right to expect a horse to run to his best and Lord Windermere was woeful on most occasions.
Lord Windermere is probably the worst Gold Cup winner I can remember and, it’s only my opinion of course, I believe it is better for the sport to see good quality winners at the highest level.
Lord Windermere’s poor effort and the promising result from the three potential improving, younger horses was a shot in the arm for the staying chaser division this year. I am delighted about that fact.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stevecaution wrote:</div>
Lord Windermere was pretty high on my wish list for failure at this year’s Festival.I thought he was a freak winner of the race and the whole “trained for one day only” mentality was getting on my nerves.
I like to see horses who are trying their best as often as possible and while we can probably allow for an easier time on their first run of the year, a run of below par efforts is disappointing to watch.
He was a total no-show in The Gold Cup and he’s not going to win it again. Maybe they will aim him at something more modest now.
I think that’s a bit mean; part of the charm of the Gold Cup is that one of the lesser horses can get the run of the race, jump well, be in the form of it’s life, have no outstanding opposition, and just be able to take it’s one chance at glory. Cool Dawn, Cool Ground are 2 that spring to mind. LW has contested 4 Grade 1s this year, so he was hardly being protected
Lord Windermere stank the place out on most of his runs. He was well advertised as being prepared only for the one race, the defence of the Gold Cup. I see that sort of preparation as running under false pretences.
Racing is about more than just charm. People have a right to expect a horse to run to his best and Lord Windermere was woeful on most occasions.
Lord Windermere is probably the worst Gold Cup winner I can remember and, it’s only my opinion of course, I believe it is better for the sport to see good quality winners at the highest level.
Lord Windermere’s poor effort and the promising result from the three potential improving, younger horses was a shot in the arm for the staying chaser division this year. I am delighted about that fact.
I think he was 2nd in one grade 1 and 3rd in another, out of 4 Grade 1 starts. Always good to see the Faugheens and Vautours live up to their reps, but sometimes the best horse doesn’t win; that’s racing, anyone remember Carvill’s Hill?
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stevecaution wrote:</div>
Lord Windermere was pretty high on my wish list for failure at this year’s Festival.I thought he was a freak winner of the race and the whole “trained for one day only” mentality was getting on my nerves.
I like to see horses who are trying their best as often as possible and while we can probably allow for an easier time on their first run of the year, a run of below par efforts is disappointing to watch.
He was a total no-show in The Gold Cup and he’s not going to win it again. Maybe they will aim him at something more modest now.
I think that’s a bit mean; part of the charm of the Gold Cup is that one of the lesser horses can get the run of the race, jump well, be in the form of it’s life, have no outstanding opposition, and just be able to take it’s one chance at glory. Cool Dawn, Cool Ground are 2 that spring to mind. LW has contested 4 Grade 1s this year, so he was hardly being protected
Lord Windemere as I have said before is a complete dodge-pot. Clearly more ability than he showed either this year or last year. I thought this even when he won the RSA. Thoroughly ungenuine. Expect a lot more bad runs from him but be careful about laying him at fancy odds.
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Tomorrow will be Jim Collotty’s anniversary.
Anniversary of his last winner 20/03/2014.Jim Cullotty had three wins in succession last March, two at the Festival. Apart from those three you’ve got to go back to August 2013 to find a winner!
I can not believe he’s training every one of his horses for “one day”.
The fact that Lord Windermere had a poor record before Cheltenham was not because he was being trained for one day, imo it was because Cullotty could not get the horse fit; with a virus in the yard. It ran like that too.
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