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Zoffany (Ire) ran last week at Ascot despite another Zoffany (Ire) having run only 5 years ago. The original Zoffany is not listed as "dead" so someone must have been notified it was not going to run again or it is in fact "dead".
Even so, 5 years seems a very short length of time before a name can be re-used.Not listed as dead on the RP database, but listed as dead in the formbook. Oddly, it appears in the RP database as "Zoffany I".
There were tow Plum Puddings, the flat Plum Pudding and one over jumps, unfortunately the Bunbury Cup winner Plum Pudding has now died.
Not listed as dead on the RP database, but listed as dead in the formbook. Oddly, it appears in the RP database as "Zoffany I".
rory, that 1 just means it was the first horse with that name, if you look up another runner today Solitary the previous Solitary has a 1 next to it.
I think that’s simply a database issue, it won’t recognise 2 horses with exactly the same name. The timeform one has Harbinger (4-y-o b.c) and Harbinger. (25-y-o b.g) who probably is no longer in training with Josh Gifford.
I think that’s simply a database issue, it won’t recognise 2 horses with exactly the same name. The timeform one has Harbinger (4-y-o b.c) and Harbinger. (25-y-o b.g) who probably is no longer in training with Josh Gifford.
Noticed that too David – should have recognised it as a database issue.
The ’97 Zoffany died in a fall at Wetherby in Jan of ’05.
The one that ran at Ascot is ’08 model.I’m sure I once read somewhere that Weatherby’s had a policy of discouraging owners from registering names of once famous racehorses from history … not sure what their criteria for "famous" was though !!
I often spot familiar names of horses from when I was growing up and getting interested in racing some forty odd years ago … the most recent one being Osbaldeston, a 7 year old gelding with Ruth Dobbin … also a grand old chaser and 22 times winner for Fred Winter in the 1970’s and once named by John Francome as the most spectacular jumper of fences that he’d ever sat on.
On the subject of which, I’m sure the Tobermory Boy I watched on the RUK feed to Pontefract today is the second so monikered in my lifetime.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
On the subject of which, I’m sure the Tobermory Boy I watched on the RUK feed to Pontefract today is the second so monikered in my lifetime.
gc
Was a damn fine sprint handicapper when I was a lad.
Something the current incarnation certainly isn’t!
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
The official rule on the re-use of British horse names.
3.2 Where the name was registered to a brood mare, the relevant year is whichever of the following first occurs
3.2.1 10 years after the mare’s death,
3.2.2 10 years after the last recorded year in which the mare was covered or produced a foal, or
3.2.3 when the mare attains 30 years of age.3.3 Where the name was registered to a stallion, the relevant year is whichever of the following first occurs
3.3.1 15 years after the stallion’s death,
3.3.2 15 years after the last recorded year in which the stallion covered one or more mares, or
3.3.3 the year when the stallion attains 35 years of age.3.4 Where the name was registered to any other horse, the relevant year is whichever of the following first occurs
3.4.1 5 years after the horse’s death, or
3.4.2 the year when the horse attains 20 years of age.Hi Paul
Can a horse name be changed, after a few runs ?
Srikuantan to Sri Kuantan
Or run under different names ?
Carryduff or Carry Duff
I do love a challenge Quad – thanks
I think I know the answer but will check before responding.
Changing tack slightly, with some help from the BHA I have an answer regarding protected names for big race winners.
The names of winners of the following eleven races are automatically protected.
Gran Premio Carlos Pellegrini (Argentina)
Grande Premio BrazilMelbourne Cup
Dubai World Cup
Hong Kong Cup
Japan CupPrix de l’Arc de Triomphe
King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Irish Champion StakesBreeders Cup Claassic
Breeders Cup Turf.In addition broodmares who have produced two Group 1 winners and at least one Black Type winner
and stallions who have produced at least 15 individual Group 1 winners.
Finally
countries can propose up to a maximum of three additional names per year of racehorses whose form justifies such a protection.
These then go before the International Federation for approval.
Hi Paul
Can a horse name be changed, after a few runs ?
Srikuantan to Sri Kuantan
Or run under different names ?
Carryduff or Carry Duff
The International regulations state:-
Now the examples you quote would be a name change as spaces are considered to be an integral part of the name.My understanding is, once a horse has run, the name cannot be changed unless there are exceptional circumstances, for example whan an "inappropriate" name has slipped through the net.
I do love a challenge Quad – thanks
I think I know the answer but will check before responding.
Srikuantan (IRE) ran 9 times – winning 2 and placed 4.
Then ran at Newmarket on 17th May 2008 under the name of Sri Kuantan (IRE).
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Carryduff on ATR ,Carry Duff on Racing Post and Carryduff according to BHA.
I do love a challenge Quad – thanks
I think I know the answer but will check before responding.
Srikuantan (IRE) ran 9 times – winning 2 and placed 4.
Then ran at Newmarket on 17th May 2008 under the name of Sri Kuantan (IRE).
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Carryduff on ATR ,Carry Duff on Racing Post and Carryduff according to BHA.
I would suspect both are database typos rather than genuine name changes.
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