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Both pulled up after stopping like shot on the bend after the stands. Could this pair have been got at?
Rubbish
Thank you.
I only posted this as all favs are allowed a shocker but two complete duds having barely got racing from one of the countries top stables is open to questions.
I’ve put down my Dick Francis books for tonight, make sure you take those rose specs off before you get ysome Shuteye.
I only watched the bumper race. The Henderson runner was in dire straits soon after jumping off. Just checked the BHA site and there is nothing reported. Why? Did the Stewards want an early night?
Just as disturbing (particularly to my pocket) was the Alan King runner who looked like winning half the track only to stop to nothing. King’s bumper runners this season have been a bookmakers benefit.
The real truth here is probably that these horses are the stable marshmallows and pretty soft in the head. Anquetta has an extremely hit and miss profile and was running not far from a career high handicap rating.
I don’t see why there should be any enquiry into the bumper runner either. It had never been seen on the track before, so you can hardly say it ran below form just because it was representing Nicky Henderson. The fact that Henderson waited until a late May evening meeting at Stratford to ‘unleash’ the horse could have been a hint of things to come.
Top trainers have plenty of bad horses too.
The real truth here is probably that these horses are the stable marshmallows and pretty soft in the head. Anquetta has an extremely hit and miss profile and was running not far from a career high handicap rating.
I don’t see why there should be any enquiry into the bumper runner either. It had never been seen on the track before, so you can hardly say it ran below form just because it was representing Nicky Henderson. The fact that Henderson waited until a late May evening meeting at Stratford to ‘unleash’ the horse could have been a hint of things to come.
Top trainers have plenty of bad horses too.
The other runner I referred to was Cool Macavaty, not Anquetta. If these two were not fancied, Geraghty would not have made the trip over.
I don’t see why there should be any enquiry into the bumper runner either.
You are joking? Odds on favourite beaten after a few yards and subsequently pulled up. Following your line of thought there wouldn’t be a reason for any Stewards Enquiry. Just assuming the horse was no good after the race is no reason whatsoever for not holding an enquiry. Do you really believe the horse was that mediocre compared to yesterday’s opposition? Even then the level of ability does not explain why the horse was pulled up at such an early stage.
I only watched the bumper race. The Henderson runner was in dire straits soon after jumping off. Just checked the BHA site and there is nothing reported. Why? Did the Stewards want an early night?
Just as disturbing (particularly to my pocket) was the Alan King runner who looked like winning half the track only to stop to nothing. King’s bumper runners this season have been a bookmakers benefit.
I’d see the point if the horse had previous form to compare against but just because a horse is a short price on its debut it does not mean it will win. If it goes out and wins next time, then I would expect an enquiry. Sometimes a horse just turns out to be a "ham shanker"
I got a tip from an "inside source" regarding a Henderson bumper horse back in the 90’s and stuck a large sum of money on it. Supposedly burning up the gallops, it finished a well beaten 4th.
I don’t bet in bumpers these days but each to their own. I find it puzzling though, that you would back an Alan King bumper horse when they have been a bookies benefit this season?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Any race where there is a well backed favourite that hasn’t run to its odds should be looked at in case there has been some jiggery pokery going on
Any race where there is a well backed favourite that hasn’t run to its odds should be looked at in case there has been some jiggery pokery going on
An unraced horse is the odds it is because bookies offer short odds on a big name trainer’s horse and mug punters back it at those odds, without any knowledge whatsoever about actual ability.
Why should there be an enquiry into mugs backing a short priced debutant that ran like a donkey?
If the horse had won the time before, or if it were to run and win next time then there is something to enquire into. As it is, punters who like backing unraced horses at odds on in bumpers, based on trainers or jockeys only, will continue to let bookies live the good life.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Exactly my point Steve, great post.
Form – not mug money – should be the criteria for enquiries.
Exactly my point Steve, great post.
Form – not mug money – should be the criteria for enquiries.
If whoever is fixing things knew that there may be an enquiry into the running of any horse that raises suspicion they may not be quite so keen to do so.
Tony
If you took that argument to its logical conclusion then you presumably expect the runners every race to finish in exact betting order. I have news for you, life ain’t nearly that simple!
Rob
Tony
If you took that argument to its logical conclusion then you presumably expect the runners every race to finish in exact betting order. I have news for you, life ain’t nearly that simple!
Rob
I know I wish it was that simple as I can’t buy a winner at the moment.
Exactly my point Steve, great post.
Form – not mug money – should be the criteria for enquiries.
Cheers Young Fella.
There was a timely case in point at Naas today where the Aiden O’Brien trained
War Envoy
was running.
War Envoy won his debut in a maiden at odds of 1/3 and was second favourite for both the Coventry at Royal Ascot and next years 2000 Guineas on the back of that. His stable companion The Great War is favourite for both those races.
Today War Envoy was stepping up into listed company and facing an unbeaten Richard Hannon horse and another horse who had run 3rd in a course and distance race that has been throwing up future winners. War Envoy’s race, on the other hand, has seen 7 runners without a winner now. Despite these facts War Envoy went off 8/15 favourite in today’s race. Nobody forces punters to back at those odds and those who do presumably assume that Aiden O’Brien is "the man" and that the horse is guaranteed to improve enough and "outclass" the others. As we saw today it just doesn’t always work out that way.
Should there have been an inquiry into War Envoy not winning today? Of course not, and that is with respect to a horse who has run before and won. If we then go on to consider enquiring into the run of a horse who has never taken part in a race before then how can we know that the horse has run woefully below its true ability.
As a lesson to those who like to dive in early for a race 11 months away, we now observe War Envoy at odds of 33/1 for next year’s 2000 G, surely one of the earliest bubbles to burst.
Well before a ball has been kicked in the World Cup, some intrepid punters have felt two balls being firmly hoofed up the field
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Exactly my point Steve, great post.
Form – not mug money – should be the criteria for enquiries.
Cheers Young Fella.
There was a timely case in point at Naas today where the Aiden O’Brien trained
War Envoy
was running.
War Envoy won his debut in a maiden at odds of 1/3 and was second favourite for both the Coventry at Royal Ascot and next years 2000 Guineas on the back of that. His stable companion The Great War is favourite for both those races.
Today War Envoy was stepping up into listed company and facing an unbeaten Richard Hannon horse and another horse who had run 3rd in a course and distance race that has been throwing up future winners. War Envoy’s race, on the other hand, has seen 7 runners without a winner now. Despite these facts War Envoy went off 8/15 favourite in today’s race. Nobody forces punters to back at those odds and those who do presumably assume that Aiden O’Brien is "the man" and that the horse is guaranteed to improve enough and "outclass" the others. As we saw today it just doesn’t always work out that way.
Should there have been an inquiry into War Envoy not winning today? Of course not, and that is with respect to a horse who has run before and won. If we then go on to consider enquiring into the run of a horse who has never taken part in a race before, then how can we know that the horse has run woefully below its true ability?
As a lesson to those who like to dive in early for a race 11 months away, we now observe War Envoy at odds of 33/1 for next year’s 2000 G, surely one of the earliest bubbles to burst.
Well before a ball has been kicked in the World Cup, some intrepid punters have felt two balls being firmly hoofed up the field
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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