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You raise an interesting issue Ultimate by mentioning ‘satisfaction’. I reckon that many gamblers have motives other than winning money. The excitement, the thrill-seeking, the adrenalin rush, the highly addictive pain/pleasure syndrome. All lethal combinations if your sole intent is to make money. If you really want to succeed at gambling you have to be completely detached from your feelings. Sadly, for most that’s not possible because they invariably bring in a degree of subjectivity when making their choices, unlike the bookie who, I tend to think, just looks at the numbers and percentages. He/she does not have to involve any subjective feelings into the equation. Only the ability to do the maths. I suppose those who play the exchanges to lay/bet can retain a degree of detachment, moreso than Joe Public. It all depends, I suppose, whether your involvement with gambling is about entertainment and having a bit of fun or is it about making enough money consistently to get your kicks elsewhere?
It’s a bit of fun for a couple of quid. Nothing wrong with doing it as long as your expectations aren’t high. There will be times when folks are annoyed at getting a couple of wins and places and not getting a penny for it, but that’s what happens.
I’ve nothing against big syndicates, especially if they get beat by two quid Joe Public.
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Just finished reading Dave Nevison’s book, "A Bloody Good Winner". It was a real page turner, and in there it became apparent the "big hitters" take these "fun" bets deadly seriously. He sees an elusive "really big" Scoop6/Jackpot win as his retirement fund. I must say I always saw these best as mug bets but maybe I need to start taking a bit more heed.
I mentioned recently (I have only made a couple of posts so easy to find) that the "real
" mega punters , who would put HF et al in the shade, really go for these types of bets in a big big way. The daily trading/punting is just to make ends meet but the exotics are the jam for these syndicates.
I just wonder how deep DN , HF et al get in to these roll overs before they are having to keep punting and hoping to win just to minimise their losses………The link in my earlier post on MR. AW’s will explain this better.
I think you’re dead right La Trappe- I bet Harry stuck in a good 50k last weekend- he’s off on the death spiral of having to win the pot to keep the thing going- that’s only going to end one way…
I think you’re dead right La Trappe- I bet Harry stuck in a good 50k last weekend- he’s off on the death spiral of having to win the pot to keep the thing going- that’s only going to end one way…
Given a surprisingly large figure was bet into the pool last week (over a million with no win fund rollover), I’d imagine Harry’s layout would be several times that at the very least.
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Think I’ll do a one-liner and give it to the missus for Valentine’s Day!
If you do you might as well do a mega combination S6 for yourself. Either way you will be on basic rations for a while to come
I think you’re dead right La Trappe- I bet Harry stuck in a good 50k last weekend- he’s off on the death spiral of having to win the pot to keep the thing going- that’s only going to end one way…
Given a surprisingly large figure was bet into the pool last week (over a million with no win fund rollover), I’d imagine Harry’s layout would be several times that at the very least.
Both he and Nevison seem to suffer from the same blind spot that says "that’s my money in there so I must win it back". Far better to weigh up each week on its own merits, methinks.
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Going through a lean spell by all accounts. Good luck to him, one of the good guys imo.
I loved this comment "“There’s been no class in the Champion for years and Binocular stinks of it,” he declared.
Class act Harry and knows his stuff most of the time.
Like all owners he gets emotionally involved and was talking through a hole in his head the other night saying we will never see the same Denman again. Plenty left in the Tank given time Harry, cool your knickers
Whilst Harry ‘gives it large’ in the majority of his interviews and it is easy to see why they make good reading one needs to use caution and not simply to follow the words of wisdom.
In the Telegraph interview with Sue Mott before the last Rugby World Cup Harry advised readers not to pay the mortgage for a few months and instead to lump on The All Blacks at 1/2 to win the competition.
They never even reached the final.
Although the All Blacks are regarded by many as the best team in the World the record in the World Cup was not that good before the last tournament.
They won the first one in 1987 when played in Oz/New Zealand but since then reached the final just the one time.in 1995.
There may be many odds on good things but that was never one of them.
While Binocular looks to be one of the bankers at the festival at evens or less on the day I would be laying it.
The one Ladbrokes and Hills seemed scared of is Jered as they only go 12s and 14s but 25/1 with a few firms.
Mr Findlay is not my type of guy but I’ve nothing against him and he’s good copy, if in the rather too familiar mould of a long line of high rolling turfistes.
Like many with a jokey, brash public persona I suspect there’s a softer, sadder core concealed beneath that hard skin.
the tears of a clown
Does anyone know how he’s made all his money? Can’t all be from gambling surely, you would need millions for a string of horses and a mansion etc not a few hundred thousand and which bookmaker would let you win that much?
Having previously been ‘warned-off’ and had a thread removed for suggesting that Harry’s day in the sun might be approaching a solar eclipse, prudence suggests that I shall confine my remarks to generalisations.
Is it the nature of the beast that if you make (and oft lose) your fortune through bold and brash betting, that inevitably this courts publicity and it becomes impossible to stay out of the public glare? Or are there, or has there been, successful high-rollers in betting circles who have made and retained their wealth but never sought public adulation and chosen to remain fairly anonymous?
It just seems to me, that over many years, I have witnessed so many likeable characters, proclaimed as the new messiahs of ‘beating the bookies’ but, for whatever reason, the bigger the profile the quicker and more dramatically, it seems, they fade into obscurity.
" mega punters , who would put HF et al in the shade, really go for these types of bets in a big big way. The daily trading/punting is just to make ends meet but the exotics are the jam for these syndicates. 
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