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I think we all should take up knitting.
Probability dictates these can’t always win and when they don’t thats the time to cash in.I’ve removed the names of the specific trainers Stacelita names. Can we all be careful please when accusing specific individuals of being ‘at it’ – Cormack
A depressing race on a depressing day for British racing
I backed Pinball in the 3.00 at Bath at 4.79 in the morning, drifted to 9.6 at the off, on the face of surprising considering the recent form of its 7 opponents. Strangled by Catlin at the start, in rear, positioned to run down the inside, then pulled out to run into trouble (huge gap down the inside rail), pulled out again to get a run , then put inside again to find little room, the horse never touched by Catlin.
Contrast this to its win at Beverley last time out when backed from 11/2 into 4/1, close up from the start and led from half way, driven out towards the finish.
Whats really annoying is the stewards approach to all this. They are absolutely forensic and generally fair in their application of the rules for even the smallest infringement of whip, interference or dangerous riding rules, but when in comes to more serious matters of the non triers rule they turn a blind eye.
Just not good enough, imo.
I agree with those who think that properly framed claimers are the way to go.
The culture perpetuated by trainers and owners whereby it is seen as somehow unsporting to claim one needs to change.
Properly framed claimers (see Irish Stamps earlier post on page 3) would address several aspects of current difficulties. I’ve made this point before.
Taking action against non-triers is very difficult and that, I guess, is why the day-in day-out instances cited in this thread (and others) are tricky to bring to book.
I think suggesting the BHA are turning a blind eye is wrong. There is plenty evidence of them taking action when they have the necessary ammunition and I am sure they are painfully aware of some of the concerns expressed here.
Are the BHA still bothering to look into such contests – or has everyone now just accepted it is a free-for-all?
It would be nice if Paul Struthers could set the record straight as to exactly what information the BHA get on such contests from the famed audit trail.
Would they always be aware of any big layers (or at least their anonimised profile) and is this in real time or do they only get passed on the details of unfavoured customers?
The Findlay case raised many issues that remain as clear as mud. He claims that he’s been laying Nicholls horses with impunity. Paul Roy says he was given no such authorisation by the BHA. Has he laid lots of horses at yards where he/his mum is an owner? Are the BHA aware of these lays? Have they acted on them? Are BF expected to report them?
A depressing race on a depressing day for British racing – there have been some racetime markets today that have had to be seen to be believed. Some of the goings on at Newton Abbot in particular were quite astonishing…..
Are the BHA still bothering to look into such contests – or has everyone now just accepted it is a free-for-all?
Free for all I think at the moment – too much to look into and to cover everything the BHA’s integrity/compliance department would need another 100-150 people in it.
I posted the following elsewhere the Sunday after Royal Ascot in light of the Harry Findlay case with regards to cleaning up British racing (hope TDK doesn’t mind me using his Ascot quote about value at the off):
Free and open access to all Betfair accounts, IP tracing done by someone from the BHA rather than relying on Betfair’s co-operation would be a start.
The following would help also:
a) A team of expert race readers/exchange/betting guru’s employed by the BHA working on a daily basis
b) Professional and paid Stewards
c) Professional disciplinary panel
d) Access to all license holders (owners, trainers, jockeys etc.) and all employed by license holders phone records
e) Reformation of the handicap system/series of conditions races with allowance weights ala the US rather than a handicap system that rewards mediocrity
f) Sophisticated drug testing of all horses to race on UK and Irish racecourses
James Knight (Coral’s Head of Racing) summed up Royal Ascot in todays Racing Post saying:
"If you had blindly backed the horse that looked the worst value at the off all week, you would have cleaned up" – the same seems to be true of racing on the All-Weather throughout winter.Where there’s a will there’s a way and there’ll always be people who want to break laws, rules and regulations for financial gain but racing could help itself more.
Martin
There is a prolific Irish Point To Point winner who, it would appear, is about to gain a very low rating for his ability if his first two runs under rules are to be taken on face value and his next run follows the pattern of his first two runs.
He’s won his points by front running, yet his regular amateur rider had him well at the back of the field and gave him a lot to do in his rules debut where he unsurpringly finished only 7th of 16. His second run was over an inadequate 2 miles yet his professional jockey appeared to want to line up towards the rear as they circled at the start. When the field jumped off he found himself in second place then took a fairly hefty pull and dropped the horse to the rear before running on late into 6th.
If his next run follows the first two he looks one to give strong consideration to when he makes his handicap debut.By the way, I’m not the only member who has spotted this one and is of the same opinion as myself.
Oh yes, the horse’s name?
THE FOX’S FROLIC
one for the notebook if I’m not mistaken.
Definitely a massive notebook horse – wouldn’t be too surprised to see him turn up for a handicap debut at Galway or Listowel CS.
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Or maybe, they should just start telling the truth?
There is a prolific Irish Point To Point winner who, it would appear, is about to gain a very low rating for his ability if his first two runs under rules are to be taken on face value and his next run follows the pattern of his first two runs.
He’s won his points by front running, yet his regular amateur rider had him well at the back of the field and gave him a lot to do in his rules debut where he unsurpringly finished only 7th of 16. His second run was over an inadequate 2 miles yet his professional jockey appeared to want to line up towards the rear as they circled at the start. When the field jumped off he found himself in second place then took a fairly hefty pull and dropped the horse to the rear before running on late into 6th.
If his next run follows the first two he looks one to give strong consideration to when he makes his handicap debut.By the way, I’m not the only member who has spotted this one and is of the same opinion as myself.
Oh yes, the horse’s name?
THE FOX’S FROLIC
one for the notebook if I’m not mistaken.
ALERT
The Fox’s Frolic has his third run under rules in the 7.40 at Killarney tonight, mark my words this one is being set up for a handicap, and probably quite soon. He’s showing 50-1 and unlikely to do any more than trail round at the back of the field tonight…he’s a proven front runner….but well worth watching to see what they do with him but he should not be missed on his handicap debut, he han’t tried an inch in his last two runs
All the way round the wide outside, gave lots of ground away, finished 4th, next time out in a handicap, hopefully over 3 miles with a featherweight and this one will repay the wait
There is a prolific Irish Point To Point winner who, it would appear, is about to gain a very low rating for his ability if his first two runs under rules are to be taken on face value and his next run follows the pattern of his first two runs.
He’s won his points by front running, yet his regular amateur rider had him well at the back of the field and gave him a lot to do in his rules debut where he unsurpringly finished only 7th of 16. His second run was over an inadequate 2 miles yet his professional jockey appeared to want to line up towards the rear as they circled at the start. When the field jumped off he found himself in second place then took a fairly hefty pull and dropped the horse to the rear before running on late into 6th.
If his next run follows the first two he looks one to give strong consideration to when he makes his handicap debut.By the way, I’m not the only member who has spotted this one and is of the same opinion as myself.
Oh yes, the horse’s name?
THE FOX’S FROLIC
one for the notebook if I’m not mistaken.
The Fox’s Frolic, 4th in his third race under rules, has been given a very fair OR of 92 and should be able to win off that mark.
He’s entered in a 3m1f H’cap chase at Wexford on Friday night. This could be the time to get on.Just a shame that the whole World and his dog will now be on this one, CS. I don’t suppose there’s any chance that anyone reading this could refrain from backing it until I’ve got my money on, please?
Better still, if Barry is willing to be bold and offer me 20/1 here and now then I’m more than willing to risk a few pennies.Just a shame that the whole World and his dog will now be on this one, CS. I don’t suppose there’s any chance that anyone reading this could refrain from backing it until I’ve got my money on, please?
Better still, if Barry is willing to be bold and offer me 20/1 here and now then I’m more than willing to risk a few pennies.Me too Barry, where are you?
Now that Captain Bullshit has discarded Yurituni, she has morphed into a value, back-class animal. 11lbs clear on unadjusted RF ratings (83 from 10 runs ago, but still within the last 12 months) she went very close today at 21/1 on Betfair, although sadly being win only I just missed out.
Another reason why Findlay and his ilk would be no loss to racing imo.
Congratulations to the filly’s new connections, that was good today. Hopefully they’ll get a win with her soon.
This sort of thing obviously goes on and will continue to go on until a solution is found.
How about restricting newly handicapped horses to only being eligible for races within a furlong of the distance in which they attained their rating, or if, once a rating has been awarded, the trip is markedly increased/decreased after the first three runs, give it automatic top-weight?
Dave Yates On Harry Findlay, Some relatively ‘edgy’ racing journalism for a change….
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