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- July 12, 2011 at 17:23 #19162
Anyone know the likely runners or declarations? / If there are any British runners?
Won last year by Mark Johnston’s Lady Jane Digby, with Alexandros third.
Value Is EverythingJuly 14, 2011 at 23:06 #364737There are 28 horses declared, 12 British, 3 Irish, one each from Norway and Slovakia, and 11 home trained runners as follows:
Afsare Sheikh M.O.al Maktoum/England(L.M.Cumani)
Antara Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(S.bin Suroor)
Calvados Blues Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(M.Al Zarooni)
Campanologist Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(S.bin Suroor)
Cape Blanco Frau S.Magnier u.a./Irland(A.P.O’Brien)
Cavalryman Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(S.bin Suroor)
Debussy Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(M.Al Zarooni)
Distant Memories Frau F.Hay/England(T.P.Tate Ltd)
Durban Thunder Stall Tinsdal(T.Mundry)
Elle Shadow Gestuet Wittekindshof(P.Schiergen)
Famous Name K.Abdullah/Ireland(D.K.Weld)
Illo Gestüt Schlenderhan(J.Hirschberger)
Impostor Stall Salzburg(W.Figge)
Innovator OMS Spol s.r.o./Slovakia(Frau Z.Kubovicova)
Jan Vermeer Frau S.Magnier u.D.Smith/Irland(A.P.O’Brien)
Kings Gambit Frau F.Hay/England(T.P.Tate Ltd)
Mawingo Gestuet Schlenderhan(J.Hirschberger)
Rewilding Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(M.Al Zarooni)
Rio De La Plata Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(S.bin Suroor)
Russian Tango Rennstall Darboven(Andr.Wöhler)
Scalo Gestuet Ittlingen(Andr.Wöhler)
Simon De Montfort Godolphin Management Co.Ltd./England(M.Al Zarooni)
Sinnerman Gestuet Schlenderhan(J.Hirschberger)
Sir Lando Stall Perlen/Norway(W.Neuroth)
Sri Putra H.R.H. Sultan Ahmad Shah/England(R.Varian)
Theo Danon Stall D’Angelo(P.Schiergen)
Wheredreamsare Gestuet Park Wiedingen(W.Figge)
Zazou WH Sport International(W.Hickst)Some interesting entries there I think, Godolphin with no less than 8 entries.
July 15, 2011 at 14:21 #364779Interesting AG, thanks.
Am looking for something not so obvious to help my totetentofollow.
Can’t see the two top class horses turning up. Rewilding and Cape Blanco.
Famous Name is possible if she gets her beloved soft ground. Though I see he’s entered in a couple of lesser Group races in Ireland. If Famous Name is ever to win a Group 1, then surely it is this. Weld does not often race abroad either.
Value Is EverythingJuly 29, 2011 at 23:47 #366462A field of 6 has been declared for the race on Sunday. No British raiders, but Famous Name does make the trip:
1 Durban Thunder Stall Tinsdal (T.Mundry) T.Hellier 4
2 Famous Name K.Abdullah (D.K.Weld/Ireland) P.J.Smullen 1
3 Innovator OMS Spol (Frau Z.Kubovicova/Slovakia) Z.Smida 5
4 Russian Tango Rennstall Darboven (A.Woehler) E.Pedroza 2
5 Elle Shadow Gestuet Wittekindshof (P.Schiergen) A.Starke 6
6 Impostor Stall Salzburg (W.Figge) F.Minarik 3Looking at Famous Names form, I think he’s a cut above most of these, although Elle Shadow might give him something to think about. She’s won 3 of her last 4, all Group races in Germany, and was 6th in the Prix de l’Opera at Longchamp last year. Russian Tango was 3rd in last years German Derby but something seemed amiss at Hamburg last time out. Durban Thunder is very consistent, but has twice been behind Russian Tango. Impostor was second in this years incredibly rough Austrian Derby but was demoted to third, behind a horse of Christians which I know isn’t German Group class, and Slovakian raider Innovator won his homelands Derby last year, but was well beaten in the Austrian equivalent.
In my eyes, it’s almost 3 horses running in pairs. Innovator and Impostor battling it out for 5th and 6th, Durban Thunder and Russian Tango for 3rd and 4th, and Famous Name and Elle Shadow for 1st and 2nd. As is the case with most German Group races, there might be very little pace early on, but Famous Name has Group winning form at a mile, and I think he’s the one to beat.
July 31, 2011 at 10:06 #366658Hoping Famous Name nets his first Group 1, deserves to.
What’s the ground like?
Don’t think I’ll take odds-on.
Value Is EverythingJuly 31, 2011 at 22:45 #366739You can see the race here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJM04a-sURg
As usaul, I got the result completely wrong!! The home straight at Munich is only 2 1/2 furlongs, and I think Terry Hellier stole a march on his rivals on Durban Thunder as they turned for home. The commentator is the regular guy at Munich, and if you don’t speak German, he’s not always very easy on the ear!! A sort of German cross between John Hunt and Murray Walker!!
August 1, 2011 at 10:37 #366778Thanks for that AG, hadn’t seen it before.
Do you know how the time compares with a usual Group 1 at Munich on that ground? Was it very slowly run? Agree, seemed a fair pace with the pack just giving Durban Thunder too much rope. Winner looked very well suited by making the running, good long stride on him.
Value Is EverythingAugust 4, 2011 at 09:48 #367080Please go to http://www.galopp-sieger.de
then chose "Sieger großer Rennen" (winners of important races)
and then chose "Schnelle Zeiten" (fast times):
there your can select track and distance and you’ll receive the fastest times recorded for that track and distance.
Sorry, but in Germany they haven’t something like "standard times" for tracks / distances / going-conditions. But with the data from http://www.galopp-sieger.de you can derive aquivalents.
Durban Thunder didn’t the fastest time in that race on comparable going.
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