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- April 20, 2017 at 17:36 #1297537
Looks a reasonable renewal.
The Aiden O Brien horse showed a good attitude to battle back and win last time when headed at Dundalk. Barney Roy has already been backed by his trainer for the 2000 guineas although he’s concerned about him being drawn out wide.
Zainhom was a big eye catcher last time and will make a better three year old.
However the selection is very obvious here, DREAM CASTLE to make a 2000 guineas trial double for his sire, the super horse frankel.
April 20, 2017 at 22:52 #1297576^ well done with Eminent judge; it could be a great week for Frankel!
One of my favourite meetings of the year this, I haven’t missed the Greenham since Paco Boy in ’08 (that includes Chelmsford last year – risking freezing temperatures).
There is one form line that links Dream Castle & Barney Roy. The Varian colt Fujiara Bridge, who finished second to Barney Roy at the back end of last season, defeated Lamloon at Ripon today whom finished 3rd behind Dream Castle at Donny. I find it hard to split these two to be honest and might wait until I see the Hannon horse in the paddock.
During one of my few ventures to the Rowley Mile for the Cescarewitch last year I also made a point of putting Zainhom into the notebook. Watching him strut around the pre-parade the colt was one of the most physically imposing 2 year olds I had seen that season, a real powerful looking animal. He opened at about 8/1 but after a few charades in the paddock he justifiably drifted to an SP of 16/1 and all things considered ran a cracking race in the Autumn Stakes, as Judge already stated.
I’m undecided, but to be fair so are the bookmakers with William Hill pricing the 3 I’ve mentioned co-favourites.
April 21, 2017 at 09:11 #1297601Obviously it’s a competitive race, but I hand timed the last three furlongs of Dream castles maiden win and compared it to Benbatls, and Dream castle came out as significantly quicker. They both seemed to be running of a fairly slow early pace.
That’s encouraging given that Benbatl ran so well in the craven. I think they think that Dream castle is their best three year old at this point in terms of a mile, and might also be worth investing a few shillings in it for the 2000 guineas as if it wins impressively on saturday it will shorten to single figures for the big one
April 21, 2017 at 09:48 #1297606I’m heading over to Newbury for the first time tomorrow and am looking forward to seeing some of these exciting 3 year olds. I’ve not done my video study yet, but my initial thoughts are that this should go to one of the Godolphin pair. Barney Roy I thought looked great when winning his maiden at Haydock over a mile and was subsequently purchased by the boys in blue, so they clearly hold him in high regard. Dream Castle quickened away like a smart horse the other week and is clearly race fit so I may lean towards him at this stage.
April 21, 2017 at 21:03 #1297689I’m a big fan of Barney Roy but his manner of victory on debut over a mile and Levey having a lot of trouble to pull him up afterwards doesn’t strike Greenham 7f to me.
We’ll know a lot more tomorrow I guess……
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April 21, 2017 at 23:06 #129771216/1 about Make Time has disappeared. I didn’t think SP would be anyway near as big but Pricewise has seen to make extra certain of it now.
April 21, 2017 at 23:20 #1297713Just a note for anyone wishing to back War Secretary. Aiden O’Brien has only had two winners from 24 (may be 23 or 25 actually, cant remember) at group 3 level or above with 3 year olds out of War Front. Two this week backed up that stat with War Decree and Roly Poly running average races at Newmarket.
Top 3 in the betting look solid to me. Zainhom and Barney Roy are dropping back to 7f for this and the last horse to win doing that was Caspar Netscher in 2012 and that bang average one a year before, Frankel. CN ran in a group 1 over a mile and Frankel won a group 2 previous to the Greenham.
That tips it in favour of Dream Castle but those trends are there to be broken so we will wait and see. Should be a very interesting watch.
April 22, 2017 at 14:13 #1297853This is my favourite race of the season, ever since my namesake won it in 1979.
I have Bet Make Time each way at 16-1, and Zainhom at 13-2 to win.
April 22, 2017 at 14:51 #1297861Larchmont Lad was disappointing in the Craven. That dampens confidence in Hannon’s hand for the 2000 Guineas. I’ll leave him for that reason.
I was impressed by Dream Castle and got the impression he was considered the more likely Guineas horse than Benbatl, who ran well in the Craven.
Looking at this field I felt normal progression would see Dream Castle go very close today and he was my bet at 10/3.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 22, 2017 at 15:11 #1297866Wow, if Dream Castle ever learns how to settle he could be a monster
April 22, 2017 at 15:14 #1297868Dream Castle is a sprinter. He was travelling all over Barney Roy and didn’t get home at all.
Barney Roy looked excellent before the race but he came under the cosh earlier. It was probably not a great race I feel. Barney Roy could be smart but quotes of 5/1 for the Guineas do nothing for me.
I thought I had a winner there but I saw him hit the wall and knew the game was up.
Aidan’s horse was simply pathetic and when I saw his Dundalk win just before today’s race I thought he looked a very dodgy proposition today. If that was a sighter for Ballydoyle, it proved to be a shite-r instead.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 22, 2017 at 15:17 #1297870Dream Castle is a sprinter. He was travelling all over Barney Roy and didn’t get home at all.
Barney Roy looked excellent before the race but he came under the cosh earlier. It was probably not a great race I feel. Barney Roy could be smart but quotes of 5/1 for the Guineas do nothing for me.
I thought I had a winner there but I saw him hit the wall and knew the game was up.
Aidan’s horse was simply pathetic and when I saw his Dundalk win just before today’s race I thought he looked a very dodgy proposition today. If that was a sighter for Ballydoyle, it proved to be a shite-r instead.
Apart from the horse that won the Free Handicap his other ‘sighters’ do not inspire much confidence for Churchill
April 22, 2017 at 15:25 #1297872Stan James have Dream Castle at 12/1 for the 2000 Guineas.
Hello! I would have thought another furlong to travel is the last thing the horse needs.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 22, 2017 at 15:28 #1297874I knew I had done my money at the start when I saw how good Barney Roy looked in his coat and the racing manager was saying how he was staying at Hannons the night before. That was a clue in itself.
I think that’s why all this analysing races months beforehand and having bets like we’re supposed to be some sort of soothsayers is a load of old tripe in my view. Ok maybe I’m annoyed but you get a much better feel for what’s going to happen just beforehand.
Don’t agree that this is not a race relevant to the guineas thought that was very impressive the way that horse stayed on given that he looked well held at the two furlong pole. Will absolutely relish the extra furlong in the guineas. If Churchill is another air force one then this is the one to beat, and it’s quite possible he’s the one to beat anyway.
I do agree however that Dream castle is a sprinter. Would be a huge contender for something like the commonwealth cup.
April 22, 2017 at 15:31 #1297876Taking into account just how much energy he wasted for the first half of the race, I think there are much worse 12-1 chances but it all depends on getting him to settle better, maybe he will be able to get the cover he needs in 2000g but it will be with another jockey as Murphy is suspended
April 22, 2017 at 15:35 #1297877My worry with the winner is that he will get badly outpaced from the bushes down into the dip and the rising ground of the last furlong will not give him enough time to make up that lost ground – could be different if ground was to ride good to soft though
April 22, 2017 at 15:37 #1297879I don’t see how on earth that can beat Barney Roy over an extra furlong however it’s ridden.
Plus the winner ran like a horse that needed the run imo.
It’s a very good looking horse indeed and 5-1 for me represents excellent value.
Maybe I’m on tilt but I plan to get my money back on this thing at Newmarket.
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