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Cue Card can’t possibly win it…he’s had 4 runs this season…twice in testing conditions against questionable opposition and won on the bridle…and twice on better ground and come off the bridle and found little….
At 11 years old what will he find when Paddy starts pushing? On the probable better ground against plenty of tough and thorough stayers….answer = very little like at Wetherby and Kempton…
Have to agree, Cue Card can’t win
I think it would be foolish to underestimate cue card.
He’s a very credible contender as he’s been one of the best chasers around for several years
The reason why I think he could win it at 11 is because for a start he seems as good as he ever was, and secondly in recent seasons he seems to have become more of a horse that needs a trip.
Worry is will he get up the hill in the final push?
I’m sitting on a 12-1 voucher for Cue Card, which I will not be laying off.
I thought he could win before yesterdays sad news and obviously still think so now.
I can see everyone’s point of view on his age and maybe in ‘decline’ but he certainly looked pretty good at Ascot to my eyes.
We all have a different opinion on certain things hence why we have a forum. But if I tried to listen to everyone then I’d never place a bet!
Good Luck to whatever you are on, should still be some race!
I should of cashed out.
Betting aside there’s not a horse I’d like to see win it more than Cue Card…would be a real fairytale story!
I just think he’s absolutely no chance of winning it though…The age will be a huge factor for me because surely in a strongly contested Gold Cup he’a going to be asked for maximum effort…this ain’t gonna be the stroll round against easy opposition like st Ascot and Haydock…
In three of his last 5 starts when Paddy has had to ask him, when he’s come off the bridle he’s proved he’s not quite as good when allowed to stroll round an easy 3 miles at Haydock on soft ground…
Unless you think he will win it on the bridle, where is the evidence in the last 18 months that if he got into a war he’d be able to dig deep enough, I just don’t see it?
In Native River and Djakadam around him in the betting you’ve two horse who I think will arrive at the top of their game and in their prime…both will find and find for pressure and run all the way to the line…
Cue Card has proved he needs softer ground these days to show his best…his jockey is on record saying that…problem for him is that both Native River and Djakadam would relish soft ground and a real slog so I just don’t see how Cue Card can possibly win it?
Betting aside there’s not a horse I’d like to see win it more than Cue Card…would be a real fairytale story!
I just think he’s absolutely no chance of winning it though…The age will be a huge factor for me because surely in a strongly contested Gold Cup he’a going to be asked for maximum effort…this ain’t gonna be the stroll round against easy opposition like st Ascot and Haydock…
In three of his last 5 starts when Paddy has had to ask him, when he’s come off the bridle he’s proved he’s not quite as good when allowed to stroll round an easy 3 miles at Haydock on soft ground…
Unless you think he will win it on the bridle, where is the evidence in the last 18 months that if he got into a war he’d be able to dig deep enough, I just don’t see it?
In Native River and Djakadam around him in the betting you’ve two horse who I think will arrive at the top of their game and in their prime…both will find and find for pressure and run all the way to the line…
Cue Card has proved he needs softer ground these days to show his best…his jockey is on record saying that…problem for him is that both Native River and Djakadam would relish soft ground and a real slog so I just don’t see how Cue Card can possibly win it?
I would agree that Cue Card isn’t going to win but I wouldn’t have Djakadam on my mind even with the opposition dropping away. Similarly to Thistlecrack I can’t see him running to within ten pounds of his inflated rating. Native River is just a much more solid proposition.
Really disappointed about Thistlecrack, cos had a high hopes with this bet, which I placed before Hennessy:
Moon Racer
8.00
Win And Each Way
Supreme Novices Hurdle 2017
Native River
6.00
Win And Each Way
Hennessy Gold Cup
Thistlecrack
5.00
Win And Each Way
Cheltenham Gold Cup 2017
Douvan
1.66
Win And Each Way
Queen Mother Champion Chase 2017
Samcro
1.57
Win and Each Way
3.55 Punchestown (Race 7)
Altior
3.50
Win And Each Way
Arkle Chase 2017
Identity Thief
1.40
Win and Each Way
1.10 Punchestown (Race 2)I Don’t think Native River showed much form to win Gold Cup. He might have a chance if he will improve again and face slow ground. I have backed him in Hennessy, but it was a handicap race and he was carrying only 11-1, Smad Place (11-12) was just about 10L behind him. He won subsequently at Chepstow and Newbury on soft ground but form of that races is not really eye-catching. He won well at his last start at Newbury but time of that race was about 2.7s slower that time of Finale Nudge (OR 140) who won over the same distance on that day. Native River is a really good horse but to be priced 3-1fav for the Gold Cup…?
Everything can happen in this race though. ‘Paul Nicholls backs Native River to put smile back on face of Colin Tizzard’ hahaNative River and Djakadam are almost certainties to place now.
WARNING:
although native river seems made for the gold cup, he doesn’t have a great record at cheltenham.
Native River only had the one run at Cheltenham over the larger obstacles, where he was beaten one and a quarters lengths by MINELLA ROCCO in the NATIONAL HUNT CHASE CHALLENGE CUP from last season. He clearly handled the hill as closed on the winner. This year he’s definitely improved so with Thistlecrack out of the way must be a major factor for this.
The only thing is : IS HE ANY VALUE
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.Cue Card is a great horse, but I simply can’t believe he will get up the hill at Cheltenham over 3m 2f. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we have a double figure priced winner this year.
Just watching the Exeter replays from today on RUK….did anyone else see the Colin Tizzard interview when he was asked about the well being of Cue Card and Thistlecrack?
Seemed to me he wasn’t his usual self when talking about the horse…and my main fear after the last day that he race was really hard and will have taken a lot out of him…I may be reading it all wrong, but looked a bit concerning to me…
I wonder if he did already have concerns that day Zamorston?
I just cannot understand how anyone can state the CC cant win because hes had “four runs” (come on now…) or his age.
The quality of the opposition is a far bigger factor than stats… isnt it (im on NR)???,
its hard to claim that this is a field laden with the highest class opposition
I just cannot understand how anyone can state the CC cant win because hes had “four runs” (come on now…) or his age.
The quality of the opposition is a far bigger factor than stats… isnt it (im on NR)???,
its hard to claim that this is a field laden with the highest class opposition
Agree, if he runs his race one them is going to have to improve a fair bit
I’ve just convinced myself to punt More of That for the gold cup at 20s NRNB BOG. Dramatic upturn in form in the Irish Gold Cup before falling at the last. Thought he got a bit tapped for toe about 4f out before stayin on again up the straight. Better ground will enhance his chances too. I hope he can build on that performance and maybe shake up a few of the more fancied runners
I am already on Zabana at 40/1 AP which doesn’t exactly look promising and have now just backed Outlander at 10/1 as my second bet in the race. I think Cue card won’t win and Djakadam has had his chance!!
I rate Native River as my main danger!!
Good Luck Folks
I just cannot understand how anyone can state the CC cant win because hes had “four runs” (come on now…) or his age.
The quality of the opposition is a far bigger factor than stats… isnt it (im on NR)???,
its hard to claim that this is a field laden with the highest class opposition
Agree, if he runs his race one them is going to have to improve a fair bit
I think that’s my thing with Cue Card. If he runs his race… but what does his race over 3m 2f at Cheltenham look like? He was going well enough when he came down last year, but still not convinced he won’t empty after the last. Over 3m I would fancy him, but am not convinced he will stay. Reckon he will be pretty short in running though!
Im not convinced either but if its built into the price. If he was a guranteeed stayer be much shorter
I may have lost it, but Tea For Two 66/1 1/4 odds. Based purely off this season’s form he could be right up there at the last.
I may have lost it, but Tea For Two 66/1 1/4 odds. Based purely off this season’s form he could be right up there at the last.
Seek help my friend
Everything can happen in this race though. ‘Paul Nicholls backs Native River to put smile back on face of Colin Tizzard’ haha
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