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Chapman was trying to make the point "how are punters ever supposed to beat the bookies" when instance like this happen.
Well I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who backs horses and then feels hard done by. When you place your money on the sport of horse racing you must surely know that these things have,do, and will happen, its part of the risk you take when getting invovled in horse racing.
If you want to place a bet where the only real factor is selecting the participant who you feel could win his/her/their event based on your view on his/her/their ability only then horse racing is not the sport to bet on. Yes all sports have a degree of trust issues but horse racing seems to be in a league of its own and carrys higher risk levles in that respect then most other sports.
A summary from The Sporting Life website for anyone interested:-
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Thomas told At The Races: "I don’t know where it’s (money) come from – maybe Richard Johnson riding her?
Horse Racing reminds me of the banking industry on so many levels..
Three things spring to mind:-
1) In the last 12 months the horse has been favourite in one race and second favourite in another. That suggests to me that somewhere along the line someone thought it had a modicum of ability.
2) Three races ago Christian Williams took over from Dean Coleman and the horse ran poorly but bear in mind it was running after a lay off of a few weeks.
3) With Dean Coleman aboard last time it ran very poorly though it remains to be seen whether that might have more to do with Mr. Coleman’s state of well-being. It doesn’t necessarily follow that he is suffering a physical ailment.
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BHA digging themselves a massive hole here, if the horse come second there would be no investigation another indication that only winning rides are going to be looked into with positive market support but not those with negative drifts and negative rides.
Are the BHA going to pull up every jockey that held this horse up and fine them for playing a part in decieving the public? oh right, why wouldn’t they because surley they’ve played a part in dropping the handicap rating.
It’s a clueless investigation and a propaganda probably started by moaning punters or bookies who can’t stand a decent hit without dropping their pants and crying, theres been thousands of gambles this year and why has this caused so much controversy? how are the BHA going to distinguish how far a price should detract before calling it suspicious, what about Pricewise and Hugh Taylor? I remember King’s Vintage backed in from 300-1 from Irish Oaks to around 25-1 and because it didnt place it was ok?
Absolute stinks, I hope BHA fall flat on their arse for this. Jokers.
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It comes as no surprise to hear that Hereford’s stewards simply accepted what they were told, despite market activity that common sense surely said was worthy of further investigation. But, jockey-change aside – which, if planned, would only have inflated the early price of Am I Blue and given connections an excuse for both the gamble and the result – how does this ‘questionable event’ differ from Raslan’s victory at Newton Abbot last week?
When I questioned the running of Raslan in the lead up to his success ten days ago, it’s fair to say that there was plenty of support for David Pipe. Even though he’d contradicted the reasons he gave for a previous rapid improvement in form – by consistently running the horse in rear and without the seemingly necessary combination of visor and tongue strap until the money was down – the general consensus was that ‘this is what makes the game great’.
Why has that suddenly changed?
The BHA are indeed right to be looking in to this result, but it takes very little imagination to work out where we will ultimately end up. Dean Coleman is no back number anyway, but (as Jeremy says) his absence could have been perfectly legitimate and even if not, it will be nigh-on impossible to prove otherwise; Am I Blue, due to starting prices of 18/1, 28/1 and 40/1 won’t have been laid previously, leaving no evidence that connections were seeking to gain an advantage by preventing him from running to form; and investigators will be pointed toward the horse’s performance at Fakenham in November, where he finished in front of Diktalina and Drussell (both now rated in the 120s). Even if the BHA turn up a dozen betting accounts with five-figure returns on each, what does it prove beyond connections having had a bet?
Suspicious? Yes. Probable result? Feck all.
Yes a gamble has been landed. However I would be interested to know how much was won.
I do not know what price the horse opened on the track but having been to Hereford a number of times I would not imagine it took a lot of money for the price to drop if the majority of the price drop happened there.
I would imagine it would take a lot more money for a price to retract from say 7/4 to 5/4 than from 25/1 to 5/1.
However I cannot believe for a minute that the stable had no idea of what was going on, because as previously stated here, the horse had no form, so could not realistically be fancied unless the stable or someone connected with the stable had seen sudden and dranatic improvement at home, or else how could the improvement in form be explained.
That however is horse racing and gambling.
You pays your money and takes your chance.Several references on this thread to ‘stable’, ‘small stable’ etc.
This horse isn’t in a stable – it’s the only horse currently running in the name of Mrs Thomas. This permit holder has produced two winners in the last twenty years, both provided by the same horse (Timidjar) in selling handicaps.
The stewards may have questioned Mrs Thomas after the race, but there must be some doubt as to whether they questioned the trainer of the horse, which will presumably form part of the BHA investigation.
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There is No Doubt that there is some doubt about who was really training this beast Alan.
Given The Rabble’s past record with missing slam dunks on jockey swithces like this and one-horse town trainers landing gambles for more prolific connections, I’d say there is also no doubt that Scotney’s Boys won’t be lowering their average cost per conviction below the £7m mark as a result of today’s events.
When I questioned the running of Raslan in the lead up to his success ten days ago, it’s fair to say that there was plenty of support for David Pipe. Even though he’d contradicted the reasons he gave for a previous rapid improvement in form – by consistently running the horse in rear and without the seemingly necessary combination of visor and tongue strap until the money was down – the general consensus was that ‘this is what makes the game great’.
Why has that suddenly changed?
I’d put it down to the weather, AJ
Surely victories such as these are what draws the younger crowd to the track. Where else is the opportunity to legally make a little money so apparent?Get involved ,stage a coup and have a party. Nothing wrong there that I can see.
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"Hello, Merthyr Tydfil Massage Parlour, Bronwyn speaking."
"Hi Bronwyn, it’s Delyth here from the next valley. I wonder if you could do me a personal favour please?"
"Oh I’m sorry Delyth, we’re strictly for male customers."
"No, don’t get me wrong Bronwyn, it’s not for me, it’s for one of my horses."
"What do you think I am? I don’t do kinky stuff, Delyth."
"Oh gosh, I don’t want you to do anything at all. It’s just that in a panic I gave your address to some people and next week they’ll be visiting you and I just wondered if you could tell them that you gave one of my horses a bit of a shoulder massage recently."
"Yes, okay then, but what will they look like?"
"Well they’ll be wearing brown trilbies, dark shades, black pin-stripe suits and green wellies."
"Are they nice people, Delyth?"
"Oh I don’t know about that, Bronwyn, but apparently they are men of integrity."
"What’s in it for me though?"
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